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Posted: July 06 2016 at 12:43
cstack3 wrote:
wjohnd wrote:
A lot of the songs listed did indeed seem heavy at the time, but for me the likes of pibroch (no lullaby would have been my pick of JT song), stone cold crazy,
motor city, bad motor etc sound pretty light by comparison to Metallica, motorhead, venom , paradise lost, type o negative , soundgarden, pantera (etc alongside loads of other 2nd and 3rd generation bands)
OK, but the parameters were 1968-1980. The bands you mentioned are from a different era.
It's always easier to build upon what was done before, look how many doors Black Sabbath opened with their original album....heavy metal, death metal, etc. Amazing debut!
Instrumentation and amplification changed from the 1960's onward.....more advanced sound processing equipment, rack-mounted effects for guitarists etc. took the music to a higher level than guitarists could achieve with overdriven Marshall stacks.
Given all that, it is really hard to beat "Deutsch Nepal" for sheer nightmare heaviness! Screaming in German, distorted organ & Mellotron, torturous bass & drum.....one of my all-time favorite "Let's turn this up & chase everyone out of the party!" song selections!!
I did all that looking for something like Sabbath only louder thing in the 90s but gave it up some time ago and would much rather listen to the original innovators. It's very also very interesting to look for Sabbath like music before Sabbath actually got going. Just in case these haven't been mentioned on the grounds of being too obvious ....
A strange patchwork of styles and sounds from 1968 sounding strangely like Ozzy in places:
1968 again and man this must have been one heavy concert:
A beautifully erratic and meandering tune from 1969:
Joined: May 14 2016
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Posted: July 06 2016 at 13:30
Apart from those Sabbath/Purple tracks: Horse - To Greet the Sun
Uriah Heep - Gipsy
Lucifer's Friend - Ride the Sky
King Crimson - Lark's Tongues in Aspic (both parts)
Atomic Rooster - Death Walks Behind You
Pink Floyd - The Nile Song
Van der Graaf Generator - The Sleepwalkers
Soft Machine - Hibou, Anemone and Bear
Blue Öyster Cult - ME 262
Hawkwind - Damnation Alley
There are obviously some other heavy (perhaps even heavier) songs that I can't recall right now. And I purposely didn't mention that Jacula track that's obviously overdubbed (or even recorded) later.
Joined: June 18 2009
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Posted: July 06 2016 at 21:31
2dogs wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
wjohnd wrote:
A lot of the songs listed did indeed seem heavy at the time, but for me the likes of pibroch (no lullaby would have been my pick of JT song), stone cold crazy,
motor city, bad motor etc sound pretty light by comparison to Metallica, motorhead, venom , paradise lost, type o negative , soundgarden, pantera (etc alongside loads of other 2nd and 3rd generation bands)
OK, but the parameters were 1968-1980. The bands you mentioned are from a different era.
It's always easier to build upon what was done before, look how many doors Black Sabbath opened with their original album....heavy metal, death metal, etc. Amazing debut!
Instrumentation and amplification changed from the 1960's onward.....more advanced sound processing equipment, rack-mounted effects for guitarists etc. took the music to a higher level than guitarists could achieve with overdriven Marshall stacks.
Given all that, it is really hard to beat "Deutsch Nepal" for sheer nightmare heaviness! Screaming in German, distorted organ & Mellotron, torturous bass & drum.....one of my all-time favorite "Let's turn this up & chase everyone out of the party!" song selections!!
I did all that looking for something like Sabbath only louder thing in the 90s but gave it up some time ago and would much rather listen to the original innovators. It's very also very interesting to look for Sabbath like music before Sabbath actually got going. Just in case these haven't been mentioned on the grounds of being too obvious ....
A strange patchwork of styles and sounds from 1968 sounding strangely like Ozzy in places:
1968 again and man this must have been one heavy concert:
A beautifully erratic and meandering tune from 1969:
Heaviness with a piano, 1970:
(Yes, I do like Deutsch Nepal too ).
I guess if you want something like Black Sabbath (well, at least 70's Black Sabbath), but louder, the best you can do is get their 90's live album "Reunion". I actually like almost every song from it better than the original ones, for they are indeed heavier and louder.
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Posted: March 25 2018 at 02:48
Nicky wrote:
Sorry to bump an old thread, but I have some really heavy and more obscure suggestions:
This one is from 1967!! IMO - the first (doom) metal song ever, preceding Black Sabbath by three years and a lot heavier than Helter Skelter:
This one is earlier than Sabbath as well (and as heavy as anything they've produced):
The first song of this album is pure Slayer... 15 years before Slayer:
Very raw early doom with organs:
This one is a very raw live recording of Floyd with Syd, again pure f*****g doom:
Last, but not least - something from Kraftwerk:
Hi, can anyone remeber what band/album he was referring to in the bolded part of the quote? Ie: "The first song of this album is pure Slayer... 15 years before Slayer:", becaude that video seems to be removed from YouTube.
Pro tip: if you link to posts on UT, always mention what they are, as videos have the tendency to disappear.
I'm looking for "as heavy as possible pre Sabbath" -era stuff, and I've fround some great examples here.
If you come up with new examples, that would be great and very much appreciated.
I know that most Genesis doesn't scream heavy but I can't believe "the knife" hasn't been mentioned yet. Really?
Also, what about Pink Floyd's "the nile song?" Of course some Uriah Heep would be in there as well as the other aforementioned bands such as Black Sabbath, King Crimson, Deep Purple. Also, some Budgie. Since it goes up to 1980 you have to have "Machine Messiah" in there and Rush goes without saying too.
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