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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2008 at 05:23
Now, if I was convinced that "prog rock" was truly everything listed in these archives, then I'd have to name Protest the Hero's "Fortress" as the genre's lowlight - but I am not that deluded. ;P Instead, my vote's for Marillion's "Fugazi", doubly disappointing for being such a drab, predictable album by the band who were meant to be *thee* revivalists.

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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Oh yes, I forgot, Torman Maxt paid M@x good money to let us know that they are the worst prog metal you'll ever hear. And that they read CS Lewis. Most amusing.

I would nominate In This Life by Thinking Plague as the worst Avant-prog, and probably one of the worst albums of prog in general. Maybe their other albums are better, but this album sounds like a regular rock band that isn't allowed to play any consonant harmonies or play in 4/4, with a singer who desperately wishes she could sound like Dagmar. That is not what prog is about. That they appear to think they are the best avant-prog band in the world doesn't help either.
That's very precise. There's other albums and tracks I really enjoy by them. Moonsongs from 87 (both early years and original versions) is pretty amazing, but doesn't sound like This Life at all. I like a lot of his music but, some Dave Kerman related bands and projects has that forced weirdness/complexity/unatural feel that great Avant/RIO doesn't have.


ah, that's a shame, I've enjoyed everything I've heard by Thinking Plague and always thought that, of all the american Draky/Kermanish bands, they were one of the ones who least suffered from painful elaboration...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 03:27
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Disco Volante is a great album ... I don't see the point. If by "horrifically bad" you simply mean "very experimental/unusual" then maybe you should rename the thread.Wink


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I was merely providing an example of how wide my range of musical taste is... I love Disco Volante as well as other Mr. Bungle releases as well as a crapload of other subgenres of the ever growing progressive rock.... scene?

Well, from a quick read through of this thread I have a list of albums or bands that were considerd to be the worst from you guys.

Torman Maxt (the most suggested... now I'm really curious to know how they sound like. It'll be really ironic if I found this album to be even enjoyable seeing as how people dismiss their album!)

Little Tragedies (even the name somewhat suggest that listening to them will result in little tragedies of my ear drums crying. Strange that their albums have somewhat of a good rating. But never judge a book by the cover as many would say.)

Apollo's Apollo (as I look at their band picture I can't help my self but chuckle... they look ridiculously silly and uncomforatble in those costumes. <(  O)-(O )> )

and Fleur de Lis's Facing Morning.

In a way I feel excited for some reason to be venturing on to the ugly sides of progressive rock and it feels like it may be a bit of good ear training for any future albums that I may listen to that may be terrible. When such a record comes, I shall be ready for it. >:{D

Of course I shall have to check out Calling All Stations by Genesis and the infamous Love Beach by Emerson Lake and Palmer. And perhaps I should checkout some of Rush's albums that cames out in the nineties (my friends say those are some of the wort prog that they have heard... but we'll see)

If I am to come back from the journey alive, afterwards I shall listen to nothing but the good stuff.. or what I consider to be the good stuff. Hopefully my ears won't be too dead from their traumatizing experiences.

Also others may proceed to continue to suggest to me (in their opinion with a valid reason) the wosrt/ horiffic progressive band/ album ever.

As for the ones I skipped, I shall check them out later. Especially Ayreon. Only heard their Human Equations album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 03:37
Just a quick comment on a couple of the points you made in the above post... Neither Micky nor I said that Little Tragedies are objectively bad - just that they aren't our cup of tea. Yes, they are instrumentally proficient and all that, and their album will send lovers of retro-symph prog into fits of swooning delight... The trouble is, the kind of music they produce is, to our ears, trite, hackneyed, and way too long-winded. On the other hand, I love The Mars Volta, and found their latest release very enjoyable (though far from perfect), while there are people on this board who hate their very name.

As regards '90s Rush, I do enjoy those albums quite a lot, and gave 5 stars to Counterparts (possibly my favourite album by them). I would even be so bold as to say that I prefer latter-day Rush to what they did in the Seventies. That said, their '90s output is not really prog as we mean it, with some remarkable exceptions (namely their instrumental tracks) - so, if you expect those albums to sound like A Farewell to Kings, you'll be sorely disappointed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 03:43
Anything with Mars Volta or Porcupine Tree makes me run like hell, two of the worst bands i ever come across, desaster all the way. Specialy De loused.... from Mars and In dementia from Porcupine are for me real bad albums with nothing to offer.Wacko
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 03:55
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Just a quick comment on a couple of the points you made in the above post... Neither Micky nor I said that Little Tragedies are objectively bad - just that they aren't our cup of tea. Yes, they are instrumentally proficient and all that, and their album will send lovers of retro-symph prog into fits of swooning delight... The trouble is, the kind of music they produce is, to our ears, trite, hackneyed, and way too long-winded. On the other hand, I love The Mars Volta, and found their latest release very enjoyable (though far from perfect), while there are people on this board who hate their very name.

As regards '90s Rush, I do enjoy those albums quite a lot, and gave 5 stars to Counterparts (possibly my favourite album by them). I would even be so bold as to say that I prefer latter-day Rush to what they did in the Seventies. That said, their '90s output is not really prog as we mean it, with some remarkable exceptions (namely their instrumental tracks) - so, if you expect those albums to sound like A Farewell to Kings, you'll be sorely disappointed.


That's the impression I kinda got off of when I read few of the comment regarding Little Tragedies... but perhaps I should have read those posts a bit more clearly or read them when I'm in a better state-of-mind. (I hate being tired. >:[ ) But didn't mean to sound like as if I was already criticizing them for their bad sound just because I thought that people told me that they were absolutely terrible... hmm I guess a thread name change is in order... in a way. :P

Also I love the Mars Volta, and also found their newer release to be a bit lacking but still energetically refurbished... in my opinion.

As for Rush, I  like their counterparts album.. when I was speaking about the Rush of the 90's I was more reffering to their Vapor Trails release which supposedly is their worst but I have yet to listen to it along with Test for Echo and (though not really 90s) Presto, Hold Your Fire, Roll the Bones and Power Windows.

And lets please refrain from bashing specific bands that many people may really like. (I like Porcupine Tree too by the way... I like their Fear of a Blank Planet release though) of course without a strong... reinforcement of such bashings? I dunno... I may not be a mod but I can still at least try to lessen any possible conflicts in this thread. Perhaps go a bit less on the blunt comments... right?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 05:45
Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:


I've enjoyed everything I've heard by Thinking Plague and always thought that, of all the american Draky/Kermanish bands, they were one of the ones who least suffered from painful elaboration...


I got a little carried away. Its far from one of the worst albums of prog I know. Very far. I'm just not very fond of In this Life, and find most of the tracks totally unmemorable for the same reasons as Plainview. But Moonsongs, is which I mentioned is here. Still great but when I got this, I already had it on two other albums (but it seems my preferred version actually appeared here first. Oops).  

I prefer 5'uu's, especially Regarding Purgatories to most of Thinking Plague.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 08:48
Originally posted by b_olariu b_olariu wrote:

Anything with Mars Volta or Porcupine Tree makes me run like hell, two of the worst bands i ever come across, desaster all the way. Specialy De loused.... from Mars and In dementia from Porcupine are for me real bad albums with nothing to offer.Wacko


Ha! In Absentia would probably be in my top 20 of all time!

I dont think I've heard any really terrible prog albums, but I guess everything I've heard by Dream Theater, I would describe as predictable and uninspired, but not 'horrifically bad' by any means.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 09:12
Warse pwog wobblay be QUASAR -LORELI. 
Tis beyund debate, Jimmehs.
(List ter dis an' yew gits aw' th' cliches plus sum troolay 'ginormouslay 'orrendoously mellerdramaterk  skirt-singin'.)
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Plaise note: Wallace, Prince o' Eagles  informs yews dis WIFFOOT ewer huvin' 'eeard ainny Mars Volter.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 09:16
Originally posted by Bunburyist Bunburyist wrote:

Warse pwog wobblay be QUASAR -LORELI. 
Tis beyund debate, Jimmehs.
(List ter dis an' yew gits aw' th' cliches plus sum troolay 'ginormouslay 'orrendoously mellerdramaterk  skirt-singin'.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 09:29
Whatever you say newbie, i guess you listened to much Magma , sorry if I'm rudeWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 09:38
Maybe I'm the only one who gets only few words from thisAngry ,  anyone feel the same??/ And is bad to the eye to read in such manner.Wacko
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 09:55
Originally posted by b_olariu b_olariu wrote:

Maybe I'm the only one who gets only few words from thisAngry ,  anyone feel the same??/ And is bad to the eye to read in such manner.Wacko
 
No b_olariu, you're not the only one, I too am confused.  What a load of gobbledegook nonsense. The best bet might to be ignore it and he might go away Confused.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 09:59
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 11:41
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 12:14
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:


I've enjoyed everything I've heard by Thinking Plague and always thought that, of all the american Draky/Kermanish bands, they were one of the ones who least suffered from painful elaboration...


I got a little carried away. Its far from one of the worst albums of prog I know. Very far. I'm just not very fond of In this Life, and find most of the tracks totally unmemorable for the same reasons as Plainview. But Moonsongs, is which I mentioned is here. Still great but when I got this, I already had it on two other albums (but it seems my preferred version actually appeared here first. Oops).  

I prefer 5'uu's, especially Regarding Purgatories to most of Thinking Plague.
Well maybe I'm exaggerating, I haven't heard it in quite a while. But lappy isn't annoyed by any level of repetition so we are coming from different perspectives. But yes, 5uu's is much better, which is funny since 5uu's don't have a very high reputation in the RIO Room. Or at least the RIO Room's surviving members.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 12:36
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by faceofdoomness faceofdoomness wrote:


But be warned I am a pretty easy going guy with music. I love Mr. Bungle and actually have fallen asleep to their Disco Volante and had a really good night's sleep. It may be tough to actually suggest me a horrible prog album/ band. But I'll see how this will go.


Disco Volante is a great album ... I don't see the point. If by "horrifically bad" you simply mean "very experimental/unusual" then maybe you should rename the thread.Wink
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2008 at 16:54
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:


I've enjoyed everything I've heard by Thinking Plague and always thought that, of all the american Draky/Kermanish bands, they were one of the ones who least suffered from painful elaboration...


I got a little carried away. Its far from one of the worst albums of prog I know. Very far. I'm just not very fond of In this Life, and find most of the tracks totally unmemorable for the same reasons as Plainview. But Moonsongs, is which I mentioned is here. Still great but when I got this, I already had it on two other albums (but it seems my preferred version actually appeared here first. Oops).  

I prefer 5'uu's, especially Regarding Purgatories to most of Thinking Plague.
Well maybe I'm exaggerating, I haven't heard it in quite a while. But lappy isn't annoyed by any level of repetition so we are coming from different perspectives. But yes, 5uu's is much better, which is funny since 5uu's don't have a very high reputation in the RIO Room. Or at least the RIO Room's surviving members.


Regarding Purgatories
is excellent, though I'm rather more of a James Grigsby fan than Dave Kerman.  I really like Motor Totemist Guild, but U Totem still was more revelatory for me than 5UU's and Motor Totemist Guild.  I like Thinking Plague the most for A History of Madness.  I think it's excellent, and I much prefer it to In Extremis (that was a disappointment for me).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2008 at 16:56
I don't remember hearing any horrifically bad prog albums (lucky me, I guess), but I've had the disprivilege of hearing plenty of unmemorable, tame, insipid albums that fail to trigger any kind of emotional response from me. As far as I'm concerned, that's a crime far more serious than just being 'bad'. Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2008 at 02:45
Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

Like Slartibartfast says, a lot of bad 'prog' albums are bad because they aren't really progressive, but instead resulted from legitimate artists losing their way over trends or money:  Love Beach, Big Generator, Jethro Tull's Under Wraps and Robert Fripp's League of Gentlemen being some of the more glaring examples.

As far as technically 'legitimate' prog - it's a little obscure, but the FInnish band Apollo's self-titled album is one of the worst pieces of toe jam I've ever heard.  And for some reason Warner actually felt the need to reissue it a few years back so an entire new generation could be turned off on prog music.   Read the reviews - there's  no point rehashing their insights here.

Under Wraps was Barre's favourite Tull album Wink. I'm sitting this thread out because..... well because.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2008 at 03:28
a bit surprised to see "Mars Volta" and "Porcupine Tree" cited as bad Prog - i would say bad prog would be a band that musically and stylistically took everything from existing works but added nothing of their own (there are hundreds of bands on PA which have done this and seem to have got away with it) - the aforementioned bands are certainly not guilty of this, as their unique style and creativity have even developed into a unique style of their own, even breeding a new generation of copyists! Smile  
 
 


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