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soundsweird
Prog Reviewer Joined: December 08 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 408 |
Posted: September 17 2008 at 00:07 | ||
I was just happy to see Vangelis' albums added to PA (no matter what the category), and wrote the first review for several of his albums. I won't try to choose a favorite from the list, because there are too many favorites (some favorites aren't listed). I guess I have a total of about 15 Vangelis CD's, plus a couple of Jon & Vangelis CD's, plus an LP (the second album he did with Irene Papas, "Rhapsodies"), plus Aphrodite's Child ("666" & "Best Of").... Don't think that I love everything he's done; I've bought a lot of his albums that I sooner or later sold, and I haven't heard anything new I liked in years.
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: September 17 2008 at 01:09 | ||
Yes, judge not the music by the record bin it's dumped into. Guess, I'm going to have to go and check out Coda. Very well familiar with Windham Hill and ECM though. By the way I hadn't checked, but has there been any movement towards adding Shadowfax for doing Watercourse Way (I turned Iván on to that one) and Dreams Of Children? For me there is a healthy intersection between prog and new age. Of course there's a lot of stuff under the new age umbrella I wouldn't touch with somebody else's ten-foot pole. Too much more worthy music out there for your listening enjoyment even if you want something mild and relaxing. Edited by Slartibartfast - September 17 2008 at 01:11 |
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MovingPictures07
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Beasty Heart Status: Offline Points: 32181 |
Posted: September 17 2008 at 07:31 | ||
Oh, awesome. It sounds like I should definitely try to find those then. Thanks! |
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Alberto Muñoz
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 26 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
Posted: September 17 2008 at 11:10 | ||
Earth for me
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: September 17 2008 at 13:02 | ||
It's kind of weird being a fan since the late '70's and having had and heard some of his more obscure stuff, that people are recommending more stuff I need to check out. Not complaining, of course.
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MovingPictures07
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Beasty Heart Status: Offline Points: 32181 |
Posted: September 17 2008 at 18:01 | ||
That's what I love about PA. No matter how much you know about music, there's some guy with no life that knows more. |
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: September 17 2008 at 18:43 | ||
Hey! Often times that guy is me.
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trackstoni
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 23 2008 Location: Lebanon Status: Offline Points: 934 |
Posted: September 17 2008 at 21:28 | ||
some albums are missing in this poll , specially four of the best , Mask , and the City , Direct and El Grecco . But never mind , for those listed above , China have more progressive elements then any other Vangelis works , except Heaven & Hell , but more satisfying to my taste as prog .
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Rocktopus
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 02 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 4202 |
Posted: September 18 2008 at 02:37 | ||
No, no albums are missing. Not from 69-79, which is the period I'm asking what your favorite is (its the poll question), and the period I'm interested in looking at. I chose to stick to his (classic) period because its a ten years run of pretty consistent and strong progressive albums. More than enough to be considered more than than just related to prog. I wanted to avoid the whole new age/cheese thing (The thread still ended up being mostly about that. I really don't mind, but it was the opposite of my intention), and that's not really present until the 80's starts. |
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
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octopus-4
Special Collaborator RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14239 |
Posted: December 19 2009 at 09:37 | ||
A composer unable to write on a pentagram. He never studied. He's titally self-instructed and for this reason totally passionate. I remember him during a TV studio session with Aphrodite child. There was a piano in the studio and while the interviewer was tryong to ask something to Demis, he couldn't stop playing piano....Why should Vangelis wonder about being prog or new age or anything else?
He's just passionate for music.
For me, there's nothing that can't be defined progressive in Heaven or in Albedo. Keep the soundtracks out of the discussion. Flash Gordon and A kind of magic are not the same as A night at the opera. Obscured by clouds is not Wish you were here. Looking at more recent years, isn't The city pure prog?
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
Posted: December 19 2009 at 09:46 | ||
Welll, I have to stay with Heaven & Hell, IMO the best and at the same time onl Symphonic album.
When I got this masterpiece, asked my parents who were in USA, (in th eld LP days no Prog album could be found in Lima, except some Yes, ELP, Pink Floyd and a couple more) to bring me all the availlable albums, and all were a disappointment for me.
They even brought me the Jon & Vangelis albums, which I found cheesy (specially "The friends of Mr Cairo").
Iván
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: December 19 2009 at 11:33 | ||
Cheesy?!?!?!?!?
Mr Cairo is a magnificent album, The Mayflower is probably my favourite Anderson lyric after Time and A Word
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
Posted: December 19 2009 at 11:40 | ||
It's a matter of taste Dean.
Maybe because I can't stand Anderson lyrics neither vocal range.
Iván
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: December 19 2009 at 11:45 | ||
I accept taste and Anderson doesn't appeal to everyone, but "cheesy" ... I can't get that And Vangelis's music isn't cheesy by any stretch - the middle section of the title track is sublime.
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octopus-4
Special Collaborator RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14239 |
Posted: December 19 2009 at 11:46 | ||
Being the post about Vangelis, let's forget Ian and Mr Cairo. What do you think about Nucleogenesis part 1 and 2 ? Not very Cheesy isn't it?
And the 1st movement of "the Mask? The whole Ignacio?
For me Vangelis is prog. And even if he's not, I like it (including Mr Anderson and his new-age-Castaneda-flower-power lyrics)
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
Posted: December 19 2009 at 12:07 | ||
Since this started, I got my old LP's and turntable and started to listen some of Vangelis stuff.
1.- Had forgotten what a delicate work Albedo 0.39 is, simply outstanding, Pulstar and both parts of Nucleogenesis are simply brilliant.
2.- China still bores me
3.- Now, heard again Friends of Mr Cairo and still the title song sounds like a soundtrack for a B class detective movie and also listened Short Stories, really too acute for my taste, sorry but it's still cheddar for me, starting with The Bird Song .
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - December 19 2009 at 12:15 |
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Vibrationbaby
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
Posted: December 19 2009 at 12:31 | ||
The resurgence of this thread inspired me throw one of my favourite space records on my record player.I think my review was very nice as well.
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: December 19 2009 at 16:05 | ||
I'm going to have to side with Iván about Cairo being cheesy in parts. Short Stories is a different matter for me. I remember when it first came out. Jon and Vangelis doing a whole album togethere!!! Blew me away. I was of course a total Yes fan at the time and loves the Vangelis stuff that got used on Cosmos.
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octopus-4
Special Collaborator RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14239 |
Posted: December 19 2009 at 16:54 | ||
Mr Cairo sounds like a Bclas gangster movie because this is what the two wanted to represent. Go to the end of the album and listen to Mayflower, instead. There's absolutely no cheese there. I don't want to say that everything he did is outstanding. I have rated 1 star "see you later". But also on that album there's the original version of "Memories of green". However, all this cheese is giving me the opportunity to remind an author that I have loved a lot in my 20s. Thanks for that. I've seen Yanni mentioned. Please don't. He's totally new age. Not bad, but not prog. |
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: December 20 2009 at 02:21 | ||
1) Phillipe? I want a name, mister!
2) Jarre not prog in the 70s!?!
3) I have Heaven and Hell, and it's progressive. I have Soil Festivities and it's progressive. I have Blade Runner and it's kinda progressive and totally excellent. He's prog to me.
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