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Points: 6890 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 19 2007 at 14:36
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by febus febus wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I have nothing against studio records; however, my preferred albums are live albums. sadly many so-called "live albums" are not live albums at all; an example is "Yessongs". only the drum tracks are the original live; the rest have been tampered with (source: Tibor Kneif, Sachlexikon der Rockmusik)
 
You say!!!!!! YESSONGS is not a live album  AT ALL!   
 
C'MON !!!WackoWacko WackoWhen was the last time you listened to it? 
Whatever overdubs they may have add, you cannot be taken seriously with affirmation like that!  
THAT'S LIVE!! IT PLAYS LIVE !! IT SOUNDS LIVE!! IT SMELLS LIVE!!!Tongue
 
Don't read the book of some  guy who thinks it's all fake, just listen to it and ..ENJOY it!!Wink
 

"Yessongs" is an album that was overdubbed in the studio. so was Curved Air's Live album too, by the way. and those are just two examples. it is not I who says this; I cited my source. and Tibor Kneif is a man who knows what he is talking about.
It is common practice for many bands to overdub certain live mistakes, but the question is justified how" live" such an overdubbed album really is.
if you don't believe that Yes would ever do that, do a Google search
 
Ok, Yes played live, they took the recordings to the studio and buffed out some bad stuff, c'mon, there are no acoustics on and you and I, the quintisential Yes acoustic song.
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Yesshows (I prefer it than Yessongs)

Welcome Back My Friends (extended versions, and so well extended!)

Pictures at an exhibition (amazing classical butchery)

Out of the blue (love this recent album by Rick Wakeman, it encompases some of his best work and features a 15 minutes version of Journey much better than the orginal)

A Live Record (Camel with a great set-list. The new version with bonus tracks is even better, with songs from Rain Dances and The White Rider)

Live at the Rainbow (Focus sounds better live, IMO. Hocus Pocus is a killer!)

Epitaph (I have always preferred the early King Crimson, and this album shows why. The band is really united and Lake's voice is unbeliavable)

Live in Europe (TransAtlantic are a great live band. In Duel With The Devil musicianship is unsurpassable)

Genesis Archives part 1 (Supper's Ready, Th Lamb, need I say more?)

Live at Pompeii (a great DVD, with both astonishing music and images)
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About Yes doing overdubs, they did, but not many. I have listened to several bootlegs from their shows, and the sound is really like on the live albums. Anyone interested in hearing Yes bootlegs, private message me.

The only one that probably suffered from excess of overdubs is Keys to Ascension, but  I've got no bootleg of this one. Anyway, a friend of mine listened to one, and says it is really overdubbed, because the band hadn't been plaing these songs for a long time, so theit performances were full of flaws.
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Prog live albums:
 
1. King Crimson - Earthbond . Even with pure sound you can hear the energy and perfection of the band. Boz-Mel Colins-Walace-Frip is fantastic for live performances
 
2. Pink Floyd - Pompeii . The DVD gives you new dimension of Floyds music and taste of brilliance without any special effects.
 
3. Mahavishnu orchestra - From nothigness to eternity. Glimpse of jazz/ rock perfection
 
4. Yes - Symhonic DVD. Like old wine
 
5. Zappa - Roxy and elsewhere.
 
6. Deep purple - Made in Japan . This is not prog but pure rock album.
 
7. ELP - Welcome back
 
8. VDGG - Vital
 
9. Gentle giant - Giant on the box. Masters at work
 
10. Focus - Live at rainbow
 
 
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Another two thread focused in live albums (and not related with this!!!) are these (both by my friend Ely78):

Prog live album appreciation thread

The RPI (and related) live reviews special

Well... This is the time of my list:

1) PFM "Live In USA [AKA Cook]": I didn't review this album. But I think that little live album are at this level.

2) DEEP PURPLE: "Made In Japan": Another album that I didn't review. In my opinion a perfect live.

3) RAINBOW: "On Stage": see "Made In Japan"

4) AMAZING BLONDEL: "A  Foreign Field That Is Forever England": One of the more exciting and involving live.

5) KEVIN AYERS/ JOHN CALE/ ENO/ NICO: "June 1, 1974": Great songs for great party.

6) IRON BUTTERFLY: "Live": Because this live is a magical live album. Other words are wasteds

7) AL DI MEOLA, JOHN MCLAUGHLIN, PACO DE LUCIA: "Friday Night In San Francisco": Great, Great, Great. Only 5 songs but... Torrids!!!

8) ANDREA PARODI & AL DI MEOLA: "Midsummer Night In Sardinia-Armentos": A Great voice and a gret guitar for one of the more exciting live of all time. This live is simply amazing.

9) BIGLIETTO PER L'INFERNO: "Live 1974": Bootleg sound quality for this immense live album. But extremely good.

10) JOHN LENNON AND THE PLASTIC ONO BAND: "Sweet Toronto (DVD)": Not in PA... But very Prog live album. In my opinion is more than a document.


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Originally posted by Evandro Martini Evandro Martini wrote:

Yesshows (I prefer it than Yessongs)



same here..
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

1. Deep Purple - Made in Japan.  Great performances, classic live album showcases the band at the top of their game.
2. Led Zeppelin - The Song Remains the Same. Zeppelin's answer to all those poor bootlegs, stunning version of  "No Quarter".
3. Argent - Encore. Overlooked double live masterpiece, one of my all time faves.
4. Genesis - Genesis Live . Definitive line up, an honest recording.
5. Hawkwind - Space Ritual. Legendary live performances, many live recordings exist    but this is the best.
6. The Who - Live at Leeds. Classic show, raw and powerful.
7. Yes - Yessongs. Sprawling triple album set.
8. Pink Floyd - Pulse. Spacious sound and great performances.
9. Wishbone Ash - Almighty Blues. Great versions of old and new songs.
10. Peter Gabriel - Plays Live. Very entertaining album, includes non-album "Swimming".

I respect other people's opinions; however, I had to make a face at the mentioning of "Pulse". that's not a live album, in my opinion; what Pink Floyd actuially did here was putting their studio on stage Dead

Jean, you are being to nice, tell it as it is. Pulse is not only the studio played live, its the sutdio played live by three Pink Floyd musicians and a thousand extras. Where is the less is more feeling that characterized Floyd? mmm? ... I guess it left with Waters...

as for me... I don´t think I can name 10 or 5 even. It´s not that I havent heard live albums, its just that I cant think of many that I would rank that highly... witht the exception of Deep Purple´s Made in Japan and Led Zeppelin´s How the west was won. Now, once I get my hands on Yessongs, any Zappa live work and maybe some Crimson (I only have USA, which I dont feel is that spectacular anyways) I might change my opinion on live albums...
 
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Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

1. Deep Purple - Made in Japan.  Great performances, classic live album showcases the band at the top of their game.
2. Led Zeppelin - The Song Remains the Same. Zeppelin's answer to all those poor bootlegs, stunning version of  "No Quarter".
3. Argent - Encore. Overlooked double live masterpiece, one of my all time faves.
4. Genesis - Genesis Live . Definitive line up, an honest recording.
5. Hawkwind - Space Ritual. Legendary live performances, many live recordings exist    but this is the best.
6. The Who - Live at Leeds. Classic show, raw and powerful.
7. Yes - Yessongs. Sprawling triple album set.
8. Pink Floyd - Pulse. Spacious sound and great performances.
9. Wishbone Ash - Almighty Blues. Great versions of old and new songs.
10. Peter Gabriel - Plays Live. Very entertaining album, includes non-album "Swimming".

I respect other people's opinions; however, I had to make a face at the mentioning of "Pulse". that's not a live album, in my opinion; what Pink Floyd actuially did here was putting their studio on stage Dead

Jean, you are being to nice, tell it as it is. Pulse is not only the studio played live, its the sutdio played live by three Pink Floyd musicians and a thousand extras. Where is the less is more feeling that characterized Floyd? mmm? ... I guess it left with Waters...
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How much does it really matter how many live musicians were on stage and how much live on stage technology was used to create the real live experience? Yes, it's done to recreate the studio sound on stage, and not many bands can afford to do that - Floyd don't need to do it, they do it because they can and because they want too - David Gilmour does it because that's what he likes to hear - a two hour moment of (near) perfection. Surely that's better than dozens of after the event studio overdubs.
 
And you cannot let Roger Waters off the hook - using extra live musicians started during The Wall when he was still with the Floyd, (listen to the Is There Anybody Out There live album). And just look at the entourage he takes on stage with him for a solo tour...
 
When was this magical less is more Floydian characteristic? I've seen them on every major tour since 1972 and can honestly say that I cannot recall a such time (and don't say Live in Pompeii because there is no audience present during the recording and does not qualify as a live album).
 
People seem to be impossible to please, there will be one group of people deriding Live albums for being not like the studio; another that whinges on about them not being improvised enough; another bemoaning overdubbing and another decrying fluffed notes and poor performances. Take them for what they are - a record of a moment in time (or a tour souvenir if you happened to have been in the audience at the time).
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Dean, did you just say an album is live only when the performance is assisted by an audience? Confused I ask as that phrase is not very clear. If so, I could never agree on that. Maybe you wanted to say that Live At Pompeii does not qualify as a "live album" because it's more of a film with music in it? I would agree on this tagging issue, but no-one can deny that hour of perfect "less is more" live performance from the Floyd which you get by summing up "Echoes", "Careful...", "Saucerful...", "One of these days", "Set the controls..." and "Nobs" (59 minutes and 9 seconds, actually Big%20smile)
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Yes, that is what I am saying. For me a live album has to be recorded in front of an audience. The Pompeii 'concert' is not a linear recording that took 59'9" to play and record - I believe that each song was staged and filmed seperately, also because there was no audience and it was a film they could have done several re-takes (I'm not saying they did, I wasn't there, but they could have).

I *love* the Pompeii video/DVD and would like to own a CD of the soundtrack too. Some of the tracks are better than the original studio takes (One Of These Days especially).
 
When Neurosis record a studio album they record most of the instruments live in the studio and then do over dubs of vocals and a few extra instruments. By the 'pompeii' definition that would make it a Live album, but it is not, it is a studio album.
 
It's a fine line and probably an argument in semantics.
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TOYAH - Toyah, Toyah, Toyah!  and
TOYAH - Warrior Rock are the two live albums that I most frequently return to.
CARDIACS - All that Glitters is a Mare's Nest
JETHRO TULL - Bursting Out
SAVAGE ROSE - Are You Ready
IONA - Heaven's Bright Sun
KING CRIMSON - Absent Lovers
GENTLE GIANT - Playing the Fool
GENESIS - The Way We Walk vol 2 - The Longs 
ISILDURS BANE - MIND vol 2
 
Honorary mentions: VDGG - Real Time; GENESIS - Live, Seconds Out, Three Sides Live;  JETHRO TULL - Living with the Past;  AMON DÜÜL II - Live in Tokyo, Live in London; KING CRIMSON - Heavy ConstruKction, Ladies of the Road; PETER GABRIEL - Plays Live; CARDIACS - Live; STEVE HACKETT - Tokyo Tapes; JANE SIBERRY - Child; RENAISSANCE - Live at Carnegie Hall, Live at the Royal Albert Hall, In the Land of the Rising Sun; VAN DER GRAAF - Vital; PETER HAMMILL - The Margin; THEY MIGHT BE GIANTS - Severe Tire Damage
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Traffic/On the road (best Traffic album)
Sweet smoke/ Live 74'
Agitation free/Last
Agitation free/ At the cliffs
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Deep Purple - Made in Japan, Live in Stockholm 1970
Black Sabbath - Live at Last
Gong - Live etc.
Led Zeppelin - How the West was Won, BBC Sessions
Gentle Giant - Giant on the Box
Zappa - Roxy & Elsewhere
Yes - Symphonic DVD
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1. Genesis - Seconds Out (The album that got me into pre 80's Genesis)
2. Marillion - Anorak in the UK (All fantastic but worth it just for 'Between You and Me' - it rocks harder than a rocky thing from planet granite!)
3. Steve Hillage - Live Herald (Guitar solo's that are interesting - that key change in the middle of the 'Hurdy Gurdy Man' solo gets me every time!)
4. Pink Floyd - Ummagumma Disc 1 (Proof that the Floyd once went out on their own and the four of them were an excellent live band.)
5. Roy Harper - Flashes From The Archives Of Oblivion (Flashes of genius and beauty.)
6. Gong - Floating Anarchy (I prefer this to 'Live Etc.' because I like the album tracks for the radio gnome trilogy in their studio form).
7. Pink Floyd - Is There Anybody Out There? I waited 20 years for Roger to release these live tapes - i even bought a crappy bootleg. It was well worth waiting for.)
8. Thin Lizzy - Live And Dangerous (Maybe not prog but 9000% rock!)
9. Talk Talk - Live In London 1986 (I just wish this live album was recorded after 'Spirit Of Eden' but it is still amazing.)
10. David Bowie - Stage (The live 'Low' and 'Heroes' instrumentals are superb).
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My list isn't a very good list because I don't listening more Prog live. Bit I love the Prog live albums and for these reason this is a list based in the moment that I wrote this list.
 
1) BILL BRUFORD'S EARTHWORKS: "Footloose And Fancy Free"
2) DEEP PURPLE: "Made In Japan"
3) PFM & PAGANI: "Piazza Del Campo"
4) PFM: "Live in USA"
5) ANDREA PARODI & AL DI MEOLA: "Midsummer Night In Sardinia- Armentos"
6) ANGRA: "Holy Live"
7) BLIND GUARDIAN: "Tokyo Tales"
8) VENEGONI & CO:: "Live... Somewhere In The Seventies"
9) KANSAS: "Two For The Show"
10) BARCLAY JAMES HARVEST: "A Concert For People (Berlin)"
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Originally posted by unforgivable74 unforgivable74 wrote:

1. Genesis - Seconds Out (The album that got me into pre 80's Genesis)
2. Marillion - Anorak in the UK (All fantastic but worth it just for 'Between You and Me' - it rocks harder than a rocky thing from planet granite!)
3. Steve Hillage - Live Herald (Guitar solo's that are interesting - that key change in the middle of the 'Hurdy Gurdy Man' solo gets me every time!)
4. Pink Floyd - Ummagumma Disc 1 (Proof that the Floyd once went out on their own and the four of them were an excellent live band.)
5. Roy Harper - Flashes From The Archives Of Oblivion (Flashes of genius and beauty.)
6. Gong - Floating Anarchy (I prefer this to 'Live Etc.' because I like the album tracks for the radio gnome trilogy in their studio form).
7. Pink Floyd - Is There Anybody Out There? I waited 20 years for Roger to release these live tapes - i even bought a crappy bootleg. It was well worth waiting for.)
8. Thin Lizzy - Live And Dangerous (Maybe not prog but 9000% rock!)
9. Talk Talk - Live In London 1986 (I just wish this live album was recorded after 'Spirit Of Eden' but it is still amazing.)
10. David Bowie - Stage (The live 'Low' and 'Heroes' instrumentals are superb).
 
Speaking about studio overdubs on live albums, we got a classic one right there. LOL Wink
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In no particular order

FZ - The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life
The 'Big Band' tour that self-destructed half-way through. Simply sensational.

Gentle Giant - Playing The Fool
How DO they play that stuff live!!

Planet Gong - Floating Anarchy Live
Not really Gong, but Daevid Allen with Here & Now, but it's exceptional.

Supertramp - Paris
All the favorites

Santana - Lotus
Bought it as a triple LP donkeys years ago. World class musicians playing complex rhythms without missing a beat

Peter Gabriel - Secret World
Get the DVD!! David Rhodes and Tony Levin are just having a ball here.

Genesis - Live
That first note of 'Watcher of the Skies' takes me right back

Jethro Tull - Bursting Out
Saw them at Hammersmith  Odean on the Bursting Out tour. My favorite line-up and my favorite songs.

Caravan - & The New Symphonia
Classics and some cracking new pieces written especially for the concert with Simon Jeffes and Martyn Ford.

Procul Harem - Live with The Edmonton Symphony Orchestra
Whaling Stories, A Salty Dog and In Held Twas I - what more could one ask for

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Roy Harper 'Flashes From The Archives Of Oblivion'
Throbbing Gristle 'Rafters'
Heldon 'Alive and Well '79'
Motorhead 'No Sleep 'Til Hammersmith'
John Coltrane 'Live! At The Village Vanguard'
Cabaret Voltaire 'Live At The YMCA'
Stockhausen 'Sternklang'
Magma 'BBC Londres '74'
Can 'Peel Sessions'
Miles Davis 'Dark Magus'
 
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No particular order:
 
Yes - Yessongs (basically 3 classic albums in 1 package, and they are performed with more energy, due to Alan White I believe)
 
Jethro Tull - Live: Bursting Out (once again I seem to like these live performances more than the originals, it was also the album that got me into Jethro)
 
Jethro Tull - Live in Phoenix' 70 (it was part of some anniversary collection, but it could count because it is the complete show; very energetic early concert)
 
Led Zep - The Song Remains The Same (brilliant renditions of the Houses of the Holy stuff, Stairway is excellent too; only minor let down for me is that I would have some of the missing songs from the MSG concers, such as Misty Mountain Hop, Over the Hills..., The Ocean, etc. rather than the loooong Dazed and Confused and Moby Dick, but... guess it's just me)
 
Led Zep - How The West Was Won (brilliant setlist and perfect performance, only a couple of songs are the same as on the Song Remains, so this record could be considered the perfect addition to the former)
 
Marillion - Curtain Calls (didn't like La Gazza Ladra very much and Real to Reel was too short, this one, however, has three excellent concerts from the band's prime and while it could have done without Misplaced Childhood twice, over all is a fine document of what Marillion once was and will never be again) 
 
Madness - Madstock (I know, It's not prog, but is pure fun and is an almost complete collection of the band's essential songs played in front of a 40 thousand fanatic crowd)
 
Pantera - Official Live 101 Proof (nowhere near prog, but it defines what a metal concert should be: tight and energetic, 100% pure aggression plus impecable playing)
 
And now for something completely different: I  haven't included 2 of my favourite bands Genesis and Pink Floyd since I really believe that their best performances were not issued officially: any concert from the Animals tour would have been much better than Is There Anybody Out There (as good as it is), Pulse and Delicate... (missing the creative genius of the band and not very inspired efforts); re Genesis - it is true that most of the Selling England setlist was included in the Archives I box set (excellent stuff btw), but it is a shame cenerpieces of the tour such as Cinema Show and Epping Forest are missing (while it is understandable that Watcher of the Skies and Musical Box  were omitted because they were on Genesis Live).  Same for Genesis live - very good but it is rather short for me, it could have easily been a double lp with Supper, Salmacis and Can Utility.
 
But... could it be that too many bootlegs have spoilt me?
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