Dream Theater wrote: DT - Octavarium

Pffftthh! That one is one of the most mellow DT albums.

I would say that in prog-metal: DT - TOT, but since Meshuggah is added: Meshuggah - Chaosphere (one of the most brutal and loud albums ever made).

BaldFriede wrote: King of Loss wrote: goose wrote: I don't know, if someone is looking for an album that is brutal and progressive at the same time, would he be better asking brutal metal fans for their most progressive album, or progressive fans for their most brutal album? I totally agree there. A lot of Brutal Metal fans really like Opeth and for most Progressive fans, Opeth is way too heavy for them because of the growls, but I advise all Proggers to at least try to get into Opeth. Then listen to "Sea Shanties" by High Tide. What is so remarkable about this album is it was made 1969(!!!), yet beats many later heavy bands hands down, with the electric guitar and electric violin battling all the time. Yet it is definitely a prog album. I advertised for this forgotten gem on a few other posts before, but it can't be said often enough. This album defined prog metal. And I would even say that people who usually don't like prog metal might like it.

Are you sure that it DEFINED prog metal? I mean, it predates all modern prog metal albums, that's a given. But I doubt that many current prog metal bands would list High Tide as their primary reference, or even know about the band.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: [ Are you sure that it DEFINED prog metal? I mean, it predates all modern prog metal albums, that's a given. But I doubt that many current prog metal bands would list High Tide as their primary reference, or even know about the band.

de·fine    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (d-fn)
v. de·fined, de·fin·ing, de·fines
v. tr.

1. 1. To state the precise meaning of (a word or sense of a word, for example).
   2. To describe the nature or basic qualities of; explain: define the properties of a new drug; a study that defines people according to their median incomes.
2. 1. To delineate the outline or form of: gentle hills that were defined against the sky.
   2. To specify distinctly: define the weapons to be used in limited warfare.
3. To give form or meaning to: “For him, a life is defined by action” (Jay Parini).

Definition 3 is applicable here.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: BaldFriede wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: [ Are you sure that it DEFINED prog metal? I mean, it predates all modern prog metal albums, that's a given. But I doubt that many current prog metal bands would list High Tide as their primary reference, or even know about the band. de·fine    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (d-fn) v. de·fined, de·fin·ing, de·fines v. tr. To state the precise meaning of (a word or sense of a word, for example). To describe the nature or basic qualities of; explain: define the properties of a new drug; a study that defines people according to their median incomes. To delineate the outline or form of: gentle hills that were defined against the sky. To specify distinctly: define the weapons to be used in limited warfare. To give form or meaning to: “For him, a life is defined by action” (Jay Parini). Definition 3 is applicable here. Sounds like you mean they have the patent on prog metal. Edit: if you want to apply definition 3, it would imply that the did call their style Prog Metal back then.

Not necessarily. It simply means the term did not make any sense before High Tide.

BaldFriede wrote: Thanks to Jean for taking the word out of my mouth. As to Dvorak: I wouldn't call his 9th symphony "prog metal", but a lot of metal proggers could learn from "Le Sacre du Printemps" by Stravinsky. In fact I really wonder why no prog metal version of this exists (or does it?)

I only meant most of the 3rd movement. Another prog metal candidate is Holst - Planets - Mars, of course. I don't know that Stravinsky piece, I'll see if I can find it somewhere to listen in.

frenchie wrote: devin townsends band, strapping young lad are one of the most brutally heaviest bands i have heard. And now that meshuggah have been added i will add them to the list. "the first few minutes of I were the chuggy intro explodes into a wall of guitar, screaming, bass and drums is one of the heaviest things i have heard

"Heavy As A Really Heavy Thing"

Their latest album (Alien) is quite progressive, they added many of the Devin Townsend Band concepts to their style. Almost every song has some laid back parts now (as laid back as SYL can get, which is "a little bit").