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King of Loss 
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 Posted: February 06 2006 at 21:31 |
 Rising Force wrote:
KeleCableII wrote:
Tool is definitely one of the most boring things I've ever experienced. |
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But there are a couple of good songs.
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Bern
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Posted: February 06 2006 at 21:32 |
greenback wrote:
FuzzyDude wrote:
My son loaned me Lateralus by Tool and told me it was a great prog metal album. I've been listening to it for a week now and I still think it sounds like crap. The bassist is very talented, but the guitar playing is generic chord bouncing without any melody whatsoever and the drumming is sloppy.
The worst part is definitely the vocalist. Not his singing per se, which isn't bad, even if he doesn't seem to grasp the concept of vocal melodies. But the LYRICS!! My god, who wrote this crap?! Pat Robertson? He sounds like a child trying to impress his friends in Sunday school. Except for this one song, which is your typical 'I hate everyone' rant.
My question though is this. I don't know if Lateralus is considered a good album or as equally derided by the rest of the musical community. I'm not a Tool fan, in fact I'm hoping the rest of their work is better than this. Someone please instruct me!!
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 We are going to form a society against bands like Tool! (SABLT) (no offense intended to the tool fans!)
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Let me in! Let me in!!!!
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RIP in bossa nova heaven.
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Rising Force
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Posted: February 06 2006 at 21:33 |
King of Loss wrote:
Rising Force wrote:
KeleCableII wrote:
Tool is definitely one of the most boring things I've ever experienced. |
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But there are a couple of good songs. |
True.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: February 06 2006 at 21:36 |
Bern wrote:
greenback wrote:
FuzzyDude wrote:
My son loaned me Lateralus by Tool and told me it was a great prog metal album. I've been listening to it for a week now and I still think it sounds like crap. The bassist is very talented, but the guitar playing is generic chord bouncing without any melody whatsoever and the drumming is sloppy.
The worst part is definitely the vocalist. Not his singing per se, which isn't bad, even if he doesn't seem to grasp the concept of vocal melodies. But the LYRICS!! My god, who wrote this crap?! Pat Robertson? He sounds like a child trying to impress his friends in Sunday school. Except for this one song, which is your typical 'I hate everyone' rant.
My question though is this. I don't know if Lateralus is considered a good album or as equally derided by the rest of the musical community. I'm not a Tool fan, in fact I'm hoping the rest of their work is better than this. Someone please instruct me!!
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We are going to form a society against bands like Tool! (SABLT) (no offense intended to the tool fans!)
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Let me in! Let me in!!!!
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OFFENSE TAKEN.
You all go bury your heads in the sand and pretend like it's the 70's and Yes and Genesis are still making good music.
There is a ton of good new prog out there that you are missing out on.
There is nothing worse than close-minded prog purists.
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Rising Force
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Posted: February 06 2006 at 21:40 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
There is nothing worse than close-minded prog purists. |
Yes there is, lol.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: February 06 2006 at 21:41 |
Rising Force wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
There is nothing worse than close-minded prog purists. |
Yes there is, lol.
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Yeah,child molesters and rapists.
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D.Noisserger
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Posted: February 06 2006 at 21:52 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
Rising Force wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
There is nothing worse than close-minded prog purists. |
Yes there is, lol.
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Yeah,child molesters and rapists. |
Exactly
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Bern
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Posted: February 06 2006 at 21:57 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
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There is nothing worse than close-minded prog purists. [/QUOTE] Sorry but I don't consider myself to be close-minded just because I don't like Tool. Sorry to hurt your feelings with that one but I do like some modern bands.
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RIP in bossa nova heaven.
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Gianthogweed
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Posted: February 06 2006 at 22:16 |
I love the album, but it has a bit of nostalgia value for me since it came out when I was in college playing in a prog band of my own, and we covered some Tool songs.
I reccomend at least listening to Parabol/Parabola again and you'll see why they shouldn't be dismissed. I think that song has some good lyrics that are actually quite hopeful and uplifting in its own way (somewhat different for Tool's typical lyrical topics). It also has a great climax at the end. Yes, they're not as melodically complex or emotionally powerful and diverse as say, Genesis, but I think they do share some of the twisted sense of humor and have a similar atmosphere. And definitely have a powerful rhythm section, very much reminiscent of King Crimson.
Also, Maynard's voice is excellent. Definitely one of the best vocalists of our generation, and has a signature sound of this era that is often copied, but rarely ever equaled.
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mr.prog
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Posted: February 06 2006 at 22:48 |
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i think you should re-evaluate this post and return with a better response. Talk to your son and maybe he'll help you understand how good this album is.(it truly is) He obviously enjoys the music. Maybe you should be more acceptive of what MAYNARD has to say. For how the drumming goes, you shouldnt even begin to judge. Do some research, you'll find a little more depth into their approach for the album.
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lost track of time!
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greenback
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Posted: February 06 2006 at 23:01 |
Bern wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
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There is nothing worse than close-minded prog purists.
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Sorry but I don't consider myself to be close-minded just because I don't like Tool. Sorry to hurt your feelings with that one but I do like some modern bands. [/QUOTE]
shall i modify. for me:
Sorry but I don't consider myself to be close-minded just because I don't like Tool. Sorry to hurt your feelings with that one but I do like tons of modern bands.
actually, if there is only one PA member here that used to love Tool, and, after my advice, do not like it anymore, then this member will make the happiest day of my prog life!
the energy lost for Tool would lead to an energy found for better bands...that's my opinion.
the Progtologist is a ProgTOOLogist
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[HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!>
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Zac M
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 00:00 |
greenback wrote:
Bern wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
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There is nothing worse than close-minded prog purists.
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Sorry but I don't consider myself to be close-minded
just because I don't like Tool. Sorry to hurt your feelings with that
one but I do like some modern bands.
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shall i modify. for me:
Sorry but I don't consider myself to
be close-minded just because I don't like Tool. Sorry to hurt your
feelings with that one but I do like tons of modern bands.
actually, if there is only one PA member here
that used to love Tool, and, after my advice, do not like it anymore,
then this member will make the happiest day of my prog life!
the energy lost for Tool would lead to an energy found for better bands...that's my opinion.
the Progtologist is a ProgTOOLogist
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Isn't that a bit insulting? I
sure hope you didn't mean for it to come off that way cause that's a
little out of line. You shouldn't insult members for having different
tastes than you....
I don't know, maybe I'm the only one that takes this statement to be
offensive, not towards me, but towards a certain forum member I have
respect for....
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"Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression."
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 00:12 |
Don't worry about it Zac,I was a little antagonistic in my posts and probably deserved that.
I just get tired of people putting down ANY band just because they are unique,different and push the boundaries on what other people think progressive music should be.
Being a fan of metal and progressive metal I am used to that.There is just a group of people on this site who have very narrow definitions on what they think prog should be and heaven help anyone who doesn't play their music according to those defintions.
Sorry Greenback,didn't mean to lump you in with those people.That was just the impression I got.
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Trotsky
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 00:19 |
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I'm one of those who was pleasantly surprised by Aenima, but quite
disappointed by Lateralus, not because it was bad per se, but because
it didn't move on enough for me ...
I do think that Danny Carey is one of the best drummers to emerge over
the last decade or so though, and his playing is often the highlight of
Tool IMO ..
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"No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present."
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Manunkind
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 04:18 |
The Progtologist - Danny Carey does play (or did play) in a band called Volto:
http://www.myspace.com/volto
And no need to get upset over the 'sloppy drumming' accusation, even the seemingly objective aspects of instrument playing tend to be subjective. Example - I once heard that Peter Erskine played without 'feeling' . The person claiming this seemed cool-headed yet adamant about this. He must have really missed out on the 'feeling' in Erskine's playing. You really can't criticise someone for having the ears they have.
Oh, and Greenback - you're an idiot, but hey, no offence intended.
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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krzys
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 05:00 |
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tool is a band of geniuses, a phenomenon not suitable for theoretical analysis. this is art, don't talk about it, but become it. narrowmindedness has always disturbed deep art reception, so does having expectations towards music.
aaaah, nevermind, if you don't like it, just listen to your ordinary DT.
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 05:13 |
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I like careys drumming, but I can't stand maynards singing. Pretty sh*t band really, I've heard 4 albums and I only thought there were about 4 strong songs from start to finish. I'm surprised that fans of old prog can actually listen to tool and say they are cool. But there are no great rock bands today anyway from what I've heard so far. Opeth are good occasionally. Niacin are cool fusion. I still need to check other bands out though
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sularetal
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 05:39 |
Manunkind wrote:
Oh, and Greenback - you're an idiot, but hey, no offence intended. |
 
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goose
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 05:42 |
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sularetal
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 07:21 |
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