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Dirk
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 11:11 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ It doesn't matter how many CDs you bought - if you dowload one without paying that's just as illegal as if you don't legally own any CDs.
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Speaking strictly legally you are quite right of course. Morally i think it makes quite a difference if someone downloads music because A) he doesn't want to pay for the music or B) he wants to have a clue what he is buying before doing so.
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thellama73
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 11:11 |
There's an alternative. Don't buy albums, or only buy the ones that are
on sale. Two of the major record stores near me regularly mark down
albums to under ten dollars, and not just bargain bin garbage that no
one would want. It's not as if records are a necessity in the same way
that food and clothing are.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 11:09 |
^ I also think that they should lower the price of the mp3/wma files. It's ridiculous to pay $10 for an album in mp3 quality, with no cover or booklet and most importantly: With no possibility to sell it to another person if you decide that you don't like it, and with certain restrictions (DRM) which limit the usability.
Everybody should check out www.emusic.com ... the files are considerably cheaper, in high quality mp3 (~220kbps), and they specialize in alternative/experimental/prog.
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sleeper
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 11:05 |
thellama73 wrote:
I have never understood this line of logic. I have talked to tons of
people who say "Yeah, well I can't afford cds so I download them." I
can't afford a Ferrari but that doesn't mean it's ok to take one. If
you can't afford something, just don't buy it. It's easy. I also get
"Records companies are greedy so it's ok to steal from them" a lot.
This is absurd. Obviously people are willing to buy albums at the price
the record company sets, or they would be forced to lower it or go out
of business. If your boss told you he was willing to pay a lot more for
you than your current sallery, would you decline? It's not being
greedy, it's being smart.
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People are only willing to pay this amount of money because theres no alternitive, until downloading came along. I dont advocate illegal piracy but the record companies are all dealing with this matter the wrong way, they should drop their prices on albums to make it more attractive to buy rather than DL or offer the album up for DL at a low cost. They'll only beat piracy byoffering a reasonable alternative, not by charging astronomical prices for albums and treating all fans as criminals.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 11:00 |
^ It doesn't matter how many CDs you bought - if you dowload one without paying that's just as illegal as if you don't legally own any CDs.
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Forgotten Son
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 10:53 |
Fine, don't download then. I really enjot music (art in general) and I don't feel I should be made to pay extortionate amounts for it, to people who haven't contributed artistically that piece of art that make more moeny than the artists themselves. My conscience is clear on this matter.
I'm going to avoid posting in this topic from now on, as it rubs me up the wrong way, being told I'm a criminal all the while having spent £100s on CDs.
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thellama73
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 10:38 |
I have never understood this line of logic. I have talked to tons of
people who say "Yeah, well I can't afford cds so I download them." I
can't afford a Ferrari but that doesn't mean it's ok to take one. If
you can't afford something, just don't buy it. It's easy. I also get
"Records companies are greedy so it's ok to steal from them" a lot.
This is absurd. Obviously people are willing to buy albums at the price
the record company sets, or they would be forced to lower it or go out
of business. If your boss told you he was willing to pay a lot more for
you than your current sallery, would you decline? It's not being
greedy, it's being smart.
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Forgotten Son
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 10:31 |
I'm not going to try and excuse my actions. As far as I'm concerned people who download in addition to buying albums are perfectly just in doing so, particularly when we look at how greedy and grasping record companies actually are. They don't give a crap about their artists or their fans, so long as they get more money. I'll pay for all CDs by bands like Pendragon and Marillion and any CD that I deem to be a reasonable price, but I'll be damned if I'm going to fork out £15 an album so some Record Company executive can buy his mistress a new car.
Edited by Forgotten Son - June 04 2006 at 10:34
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Wilcey
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 10:00 |
This media (digital file sharing) is new, being an impoverished student IS NOT, when I was a student I couldn't afford all the LP's I wanted, not by a very long shot. I saved, or I went without.
Being hard up does not give you special rights. Sometimes the wait makes the item far sweeter when it arrives.
It might be an old fashioned philosophy but it works.
P-C
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Forgotten Son
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 09:52 |
I don't care whether it's a myth, I have bought far more CDs than I've downloaded so I don't see why I shouldn't be able to listen to an album that I can't find at a reasonable price anywhere before saving up enough money to buy it. I'm a student, so it's not as if I have the funds to support my addiction to music. I think the Record Industry has taken more than it's fair share of profits from my 400+ legally purchased CD collection if you ask me. Not that I won't continue to buy music.
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Wilcey
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 07:44 |
My post (^above) was in response to a post that was deleted due to it's nature. Therefore my post does look a little out of context.
However the MYTH that downloaders BUY MORE Cd's than other buyers is in fact A MYTH created as a comfort blanket by those who induldge in illegal activity.
The record industry is collapsing........rapidly, this is not due to the ammount of music or the quality of music, it is due to the "download now, maybe buy later" culture.
This is a FACT and no ammount of dressing it up will alter that.
MOST labels/artists offer preview mp3 for free, WHY IS IT NECESSARY to abuse them by downloading entire albums from some hippy ideology that says its great to SHARE???
WHEN, and only WHEN you SHARE you income with whoever wants to take a slice, then come back and lets talk. But until then my views will NOT be changed.
My views DO make people uncomfortable. I don't however apologise for that.
P-C
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Kid-A
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Posted: June 04 2006 at 07:23 |
prog-chick wrote:
What do you do for a living Spacecraft???
I am really truly interested..........it must be some great altroistic venture........
When your living relies on the cd buying public........you would not be as smug, concieted and self righteuous...............
IF you continue to pirate the price of cd's will get higher...........simple maths.
P-C |
If I never downloaded Close to the edge or a farewell to kings, I would never have bought any of my prog albums. And I even bought Close to the edge and A Farewell to kings.
People who download music generally buy more music than people who don't.
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Atkingani
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Posted: June 03 2006 at 23:37 |
ATTENTION:
Posts encouraging the practice of activities not supported by the ProgArchives were (are) hidden and/or deleted. If the forum member continues posting that way a warning will be adressed.
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thellama73
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Posted: June 03 2006 at 23:23 |
If an album is not available on CD, then I think piracy might be
okay... maybe. I have a problem with it because your screwing the
artists out of money they've worked very hard to earn. However, I have
been known to use it as a try-before-you-buy device to see if I'm going
to like a band before I shell out $20 for an album.
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WaywardSon
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Posted: June 03 2006 at 23:14 |
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WaywardSon
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Posted: June 03 2006 at 20:12 |
I remember buying a Rush DVD in 2002 "A Show of Hands" and now see that it is only being released on DVD this year! I bought it from a CD shop as well.
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Wilcey
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Posted: June 03 2006 at 19:52 |
What do you do for a living Spacecraft???
I am really truly interested..........it must be some great altroistic venture........
When your living relies on the cd buying public........you would not be as smug, concieted and self righteuous...............
IF you continue to pirate the price of cd's will get higher...........simple maths.
P-C
Edited by Atkingani - June 03 2006 at 23:54
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: December 23 2005 at 11:40 |
Anyone can get caught easily. Whenever you are downloading/uploading something, your IP address is visible to the other system. So when you are currently sharing file xyz in some P2P software and the music industry is looking for people who share it, all they need to do is to also share that file. Eventually they'll see your IP in the list (queue) of people who are sharing that file. And maybe they'll even download some of the data from your computer. Then all they need to do is find out which ISP you are using and query him for your name (or inform authorities about the abuse, and they'll query the ISP).
The bottom line: Just don't do it!
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: December 23 2005 at 10:55 |
-Radioswim- wrote:
NetsNJFan wrote:
why do I think that someone is you? |
I buy CDs... I do 
btw... is that rediculously high # in your sig... our Country's debt?
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you called it
watch as it continues to rise, from the comfort of prog archives
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: December 23 2005 at 08:39 |
It is really hard to catch someone unless they are acting as a huge uploading hub. if an IP sees someone's upload bandwidth go through the roof, it's pretty easy to tell that they are probably involved in piracy. however, it takes a whole lot of uploading to make a difference, so as long as one downloads quietly, one should be safe...
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