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The Ladder is in the "upper half" of Yes albums, imo. One of few highlights of post-Drama career. Actually, the last time I listened to it in its entirety (2017-ish), I liked it more than Magnification, but I'm not sure if such opinion is relevant today. Need to check!

When it comes to weird (if not disgusting) relationship between Page and Lori Maddox, she was 14 when they started (1972) and no older than 16 when the relationship ended (1973-74). In older interviews she claimed that Page was very gallant towards her, keeping her away from drugs and other sort of filth, giving her roses, furs and stuff Wacko But she's no longer reliable because later she contradicted herself on many occasions (i.e. details of her relationship with Bowie, which may never have happened, contradicting timelines and all).
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House of Yes: Live from the House of Blues (2000) - A concert supporting "The Ladder" album.....

1. Intro & Yours is No Disgrace
 
 
2. Time and a Word
 
 
3. Homeworld
 
 
4. Perpetual Change
 
 
5. Lightning Strikes
 
 
6. The Messenger
 
 
7. Ritual
 
 
8. And You and I
 
 
 


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I listened to a few songs from it today, not bad, listenable, it's still better than the albums without Anderson (not Drama, obviously) and a vast improvement on the godawful Open Your Eyes. 

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I listened to a few songs from it today, not bad, listenable, it's still better than the albums without Anderson (not Drama, obviously) and a vast improvement on the godawful Open Your Eyes. 
 
I haven't heard the Open Your Eyes album before. That's a Yes album I still have to look forward to, maybe. I just hope it doesn't turn out to be as "godawful" as you say. Smile


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I wouldn't put it up with, or ahead of, the classic 70's Yes albums - no way

It is very good though, and one of my favourite of the post classic era albums
Songs cast a light on you
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

His playing style and (most) choices of his sounds fit Yes well.
I actually thought he hooked-up with some underage groupie ??
Should look that up...


No, Psych Paul is pretty close. I heard it was one female security guard and more like sexual harassment though. I don't know all the details but I do know it was the main reason(maybe only)that he was let go from the band.

Hooking up with underage groupies was Andy Summers from the Police. Maybe you read his autobiography but forgot who wrote it. LOL

O.K. Thanks for clarifying. That’s a shame.
No, I haven’t read much about Andy Summers, but I guess many dudes in bands hook-up with young chicks (who probably look older than they are......)
 
Bill Wyman of the Rolling Stones also famously became involved with the under-age groupie Mandy Smith, who was 16 at the time when the story was first splashed across the tabloids in 1986. They later got married in 1989 but broke up just two years later in 1991. Confused


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House of Yes: Live from the House of Blues (2000) - Part II
 
9. It Will Be a Good Day (The River)
 
 
10. Face to Face
 
 
11. Awaken (Part 1)
 
 
12. Awaken (Part 2)
 
 
13. I've Seen All Good People
 
 
14. Cinema & Owner of a Lonely Heart
 
 
15. Roundabout & End Credits
 


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^ If any ‘regular jock’ these days hooked-up with a minor, they’d be incarcerated quicker than they could spell their name.
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I love The Ladder. A lot.
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Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

I love The Ladder. A lot.
 
The Ladder has now ascended to the top rung of my favourite Yes albums, having heard it for the first time only three days ago on a Live Yes compilation. I've had the Live Yes compilation for some time now, but only just realised most of the songs on there are from The Ladder album. Smile
 
 


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It's actually one of my least favourite albums from them. Both Sherwood / Korkhoshev albums don't do much for me. Actually, there's nothing particularly wrong with them, but there's nothing particularly goo either (just as my other least favourite albums). And as far as I understand, this is not their only album with that line-up, Open your Eyes has the same one as far as I remember, only one of Billy or Igor was an official member of the band on both, and the other was like an additional member on Open your Eyes.
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"The Ladder" is the very good album!
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Originally posted by felonafan felonafan wrote:

"The Ladder" is the very good album!
 
Having listened to "The Ladder" album and loved it, I'm now inspired to listen to all of the more recent Yes albums, starting from the 1991 "Union" album, or the "Onion" album as Rick Wakeman calls it, because it makes him cry every time he hears it. Smile
 
It's the first time I've devoted a whole thread to just one single album, but it was worth it, so maybe I should do it more often. Wink


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by felonafan felonafan wrote:

"The Ladder" is the very good album!
 
Having listened to "The Ladder" album and loved it, I'm now inspired to listen to all of the more recent Yes albums, starting from the 1991 "Union" album, or the "Onion" album as Rick Wakeman calls it, because it makes him cry every time he hears it. Smile
 
It's the first time I've devoted a whole thread to just one single album, but it was worth it, so maybe I should do it more often. Wink


Speaking of Union, I'm tempted to put my Oldfield reviews project aside and give it a few listens... TOP5 weirdest albums in Prog, if not musically than thematically, I'm still bummed it didn't pan out.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by felonafan felonafan wrote:

"The Ladder" is the very good album!
 
Having listened to "The Ladder" album and loved it, I'm now inspired to listen to all of the more recent Yes albums, starting from the 1991 "Union" album, or the "Onion" album as Rick Wakeman calls it, because it makes him cry every time he hears it. Smile
 
It's the first time I've devoted a whole thread to just one single album, but it was worth it, so maybe I should do it more often. Wink

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who really likes it. I'm so used to seeing negative things about it from prog fans. There's a lot of prog fans who act like Yes hasn't done anything worthwhile after Drama. Go figure.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by felonafan felonafan wrote:

"The Ladder" is the very good album!
 
Having listened to "The Ladder" album and loved it, I'm now inspired to listen to all of the more recent Yes albums, starting from the 1991 "Union" album, or the "Onion" album as Rick Wakeman calls it, because it makes him cry every time he hears it. Smile
 
It's the first time I've devoted a whole thread to just one single album, but it was worth it, so maybe I should do it more often. Wink

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who really likes it. I'm so used to seeing negative things about it from prog fans. There's a lot of prog fans who act like Yes hasn't done anything worthwhile after Drama. Go figure.

Yep although I like Talk and Keystudio better but Magnification and The Ladder are solid releases.
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Union suffered from an overhaul of studio intrusions and over-production for sure, but, had there not been all the detailed credits as such, the result is a solid album. There’s not much fluff on the album in my mind, it has many great songs to offer.
The reason I don’t spin The Ladder often is that it’s all so bright and positive. It realy is a great ‘post-70’s Yes album, and Magnification fared much stronger for me. This is still the true, faithful Yes, without being mind-boggling.

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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Union suffered from an overhaul of studio intrusions and over-production for sure, but, had there not been all the detailed credits as such, the result is a solid album. There’s not much fluff on the album in my mind, it has many great songs to offer.
The reason I don’t spin The Ladder often is that it’s all so bright and positive. It realy is a great ‘post-70’s Yes album, and Magnification fared much stronger for me. This is still the true, faithful Yes, without being mind-boggling.
The reason I really enjoy The Ladder album and find it so uplifting to listen to is precisely because it IS so bright and positive. Smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by felonafan felonafan wrote:

"The Ladder" is the very good album!

 
Having listened to "The Ladder" album and loved it, I'm now inspired to listen to all of the more recent Yes albums, starting from the 1991 "Union" album, or the "Onion" album as Rick Wakeman calls it, because it makes him cry every time he hears it. Smile
 
It's the first time I've devoted a whole thread to just one single album, but it was worth it, so maybe I should do it more often. Wink



I actually like Union much better than The Ladder (or Open your Eyes). Just Shock to the System and The More we Live are much better than anything on either of those other albums.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by felonafan felonafan wrote:

"The Ladder" is the very good album!

 
Having listened to "The Ladder" album and loved it, I'm now inspired to listen to all of the more recent Yes albums, starting from the 1991 "Union" album, or the "Onion" album as Rick Wakeman calls it, because it makes him cry every time he hears it. Smile
 
It's the first time I've devoted a whole thread to just one single album, but it was worth it, so maybe I should do it more often. Wink



I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who really likes it. I'm so used to seeing negative things about it from prog fans. There's a lot of prog fans who act like Yes hasn't done anything worthwhile after Drama. Go figure.


I, I do love a good deal of Yes after Drama... just, it's isolated songs for me, not whole albums. However, The Ladder doesn't feature any of those post 70's Yes songs that I love.
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