I don't like Neo Prog, change my mind |
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Categories or subgenres or whatever you want to call them are good for figuring out what you like and can give you a rough idea(sometimes very rough)as to what something sounds like. I think sometimes people use it as a crutch though to avoid discovering something they might otherwise possibly be into. I'm guilty of this myself as I tend to stay away from stuff labelled "RIO" or "avant" as well as maybe a few other genres. So it because a matter of convenience but it can be taken too far imo. If you think you might like something listen to it on youtube regardless of how it's labelled here.
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Catcher10
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I can follow this rationale much better than the dumping rationale........ie, I Think I'm Going Bald is nothing like The Necromancer. |
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Logan
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True. And keeping with Caress of Steel, "Lakeside Park" is little like "Bastille Day". Thank you, by the way, you just chose my album to listen to again -- love that album, been too long. |
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Catcher10
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I spun it twice last night....also thanks to another forum and thread on the album. We discussed the awesomeness of the album and that got me in the same mentality as you. I think of that album and in the context of their whole catalog, I remain amazed.
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M27Barney
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Riverside...now there is a mighty fine band...prog metal if you ask me more prog than metal tho....not neo prog...???
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Cristi
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Nobody said Riverside is neo-prog. I said they were influenced by it (big difference) on their early albums, I for one hear Marillion and even IQ on their first 3 albums. That's all.
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dougmcauliffe
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Okay, after seeing nothing but glowing reviews for the new pendragon album, I just ordered the CD. Perhaps this will change my mind on Neo Prog
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Logan
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I wouldn't order based on reviews unless the descriptions in the reviews make it look like it should be the kinds of music I like (oh, in some categories I love I wouldn't be that worried). I'd be particularly wary if it's in a category that I haven't liked.
I'm commonly more interested in the details of specific reviews (say if it references music I like) than some general sense of them, or quantity. I'm more interested in the descriptions of the music than how much people like the albums commonly (the descriptions and reference points are what get me interested-- that demonstrates to me if this should be music up my alley). Also, there are some reviewers I trust more than others because I know we share similar tastes. There is a fanboy mentality often when it comes to reviews of new albums. I made the mistake of getting a few albums that people seemed to be raving about not long before I joined this site, and had only myself to blame when the music didn't at all appeal. I now almost always try to listen before I buy -- well, except when it comes to second-hand vinyls, which I might buy just because of the cover. I have found that you can often judge a book or an album quite well by the cover, contrary to popular cliché. Edited by Logan - April 04 2020 at 16:19 |
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dougmcauliffe
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I'm not super picky when it comes to music but I guess i'm taking a risk anyways. It has a good review from BrufordFreak and hes a reviewer I often find myself agreeing with so I figure eh, what the hell. Also, maybe its silly, but If I actually buy a physical copy I find I am more likely to keep re-listening to it even if I don't initially like it as a way to get my moneys worth. So i'm excited to try this band out!
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Cristi
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well, you like Camel, you might enjoy Pendragon's last work.
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Logan
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Now I'm thinking I might give it a try too, but then there are some games for the Switch that I'd rather buy first, including a Breath of the Wild expansion pack. Hmm, games first, Neo-Prog later. |
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dougmcauliffe
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If its the motorcycle DLC I say 100% go for it
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Logan
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It is, the Champion's Ballad, and will do. :) |
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M27Barney
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The last few Pendragon were one spin and no WOW (so in the one spin bin) like the new IQ ...will get the new one for my birthday...
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richardh
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the early IQ albums (Tales From The Lush Attic and The Wake) were a bit rough ( not clean and polished as you suggest) and there was also a bit of a punk vibe going on with the band. I can't imagine these 2 albums could be described as 'pop'. After that it did change certainly and there is more polish to the music. A lot of people don't like Neo Prog and you have explained some of the reasoning. For me it works well when the vocals are strong and there is plenty of atmosphere. I don't need music to sound 'rough' but I'm wondering that if you don't like music sounding too 'clean' then how do you get on with a lot of prog rock that was made in the seventies? It's not as if ELP, Yes, Genesis or Tull were particularly punkish in any way shape or form. |
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M27Barney
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Soft and wet....you cannot possibly like DSOTM then...😂
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Cristi
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that's off topic |
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Slartibartfast
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Change your mind? Why? Is there something wrong with the one you have? All I know is i was a fan of Marillion with Script For A Jester's Tear and then didn't really follow any albums after that. We are talking pre-internet days after all. Then a friend I made on AOL reintroduced me to them. This was after Afraid Of Sunlight came out, which I think is still my favorite. I really liked Brave as well. Got to know some of the albums after Script and there are a few I really like and some that are men. I think I may have heard some IQ when AOL had a progressive rock streaming station but they never caught on. I just recently heard their new 2019 album and I am liking that one a lot. So if you really want to be convinced, start there. If not don't sweat it. Ii doubt it will ever be one of my favorite sub-genres and I really don't care. I know what I like and I like what I know.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Guldbamsen
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I am probably not the best person to win you over to the Neo side...but I do like me some early Marillion, IQ as well as the post punky outfit I always seem to forget from around the same time..errr..the singer’s name is something with Mann methinks
Aaanyway once in a while I come across artists that I like...like I and Thou fx: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_vHNHMOpIKA |
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Tom Ozric
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^ Geoff Mann - Twelfth Night 👍🏼
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