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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Online Points: 21505 |
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I was going to point out the same thing, if the genre was limited to bands like TFK, SB, IQ, Marillion, PT I would be extremely bored very quickly but that's my personal tastes for ya.
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Ian
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15357 |
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Don't you think such a list should represent the variety of prog genres? One can do separate lists for all kinds of stuff, but a "big six" from my point of view would make more sense if it'd represent a wider spectrum including let's say prog metal and the like, math/post rock, and what went on in RIO from 1980. Do we have bands that started post 1979 that cover remotely as much ground as the very eclectic King Crimson or Jethro Tull, say? If not, it surely shouldn't all be Neo or Symphonic...
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Online Points: 21505 |
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I had them just outside the top six based on rankings, they should certainly be in the discussion.
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Ian
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Quinino ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 26 2011 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 3654 |
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Phideaux is a huge act...sad to be so overlooked (not only here, for what I reckon)
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M27Barney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136 |
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I Reluctantly left out Opeth/Riverside...both should be in a top list of heavier prog....also Ayreon...and Symphony X...
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 30012 |
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Anglagard's only important album is Hybris albeit a monster. The more recent album was just a poor copy of it and showed zero progression in 20 odd years. All Traps On Earth though was a brilliant album and if released as Anglagard that would be different. Personally I would love to include Par Lindh Project as the first 3 albums are all great ( and different) . But it would be a stretch admittedly. The case for IQ is strong and they have endured incredibly well. The latest is one of their very best but you also have The Wake , Ever and The Road Of Bones on top of that. The Flower Kings are important and I am going to see them on Sunday so I like them to some extent but the lack of any truly signature albums bothers me. Stardust We Are and Unfold The Future are okay but there is just too much filler for my liking. If we have a top six prog musicians post 1979 (and ignoring the fact that Kaipa were going in the seventies!) then Stolte would be in there. Roine Stolte Nick D'Virgilio Jordan Rudess John Jowitt Mikael Akerfeldt Steven Wilson |
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iluvmarillion ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 09 2010 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 3247 |
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Actually Opeth's In Cauda Venenum is such a brilliant album, it just about pushes Opeth into the top six prog rock bands around. Don't know who they push out though.
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iluvmarillion ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 09 2010 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 3247 |
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Take out IQ (not that there're bad) and insert Big Big train, you've got it.
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YESESIS ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2017 Location: Maine Status: Offline Points: 2215 |
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Yeah I agree with others that Spock's Beard pretty much needs to be there. Then I guess Marillion, Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree.. and two others, doesn't matter who.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19197 |
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A prog website(such as progressive ears) with users that doesn't use this website won't have the ratings on here as a reference on here so they obviously would not agree with the criterion you guys are using. But in my admittedly stubborn opinion these are the bands that should be on there: TFK,SB, OT, PT, IQ and Marillion. For me prog metal would be a separate list. If Opeth do a few more less metal and more prog rockish albums they could easily go on the list too. BBT and Pendragon should also be considered contenders. I won't deny the importance of the bands on the above lists and you guys are doing it very methodical so your lists are probably more definitive but hey we all have our own opinions. Oh yeah, I forgot Anglagard. They are definitely a contender. It's too bad it can only be six bands. I like Djam Karet too but they are probably even more forgotten than Ozric Tentacles.
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Online Points: 21505 |
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Ian
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15357 |
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Hmmm. Riverside look good when going through lists and ratings, but I haven't heard any enthusiasm about them here on the forum or elsewhere (although I might not look in the right places), as for the other five. So I think they should be replaced. I'd bring in Cardiacs instead.
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jamesbaldwin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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1) Marillion 2) Talk Talk 3) Tori Amos 4) Spock's Beard 5) Swans 6) Dream Theater
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miamiscot ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 23 2014 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 3635 |
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Neal Morse/Spock's Beard
Steven Wilson/Porcupine Tree Marillion Dream Theater Opeth Big Big Train |
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BrufordFreak ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 25 2008 Location: Wisconsin Status: Offline Points: 8573 |
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If it's about popularity, influence, ratings, and rankings, then I think Nogbad's got the winning list:
Marillion Dream Theater Änglagård Porcupine Tree Opeth Riverside P.S. Änglagård may have only three important albums (as opposed to the "one" somebody mentioned), but their members have contributed to some other amazing albums and bands. P.P.S. If Steven Wilson were connect to or were to replace Porcupine Tree, that would be okay, too.
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Online Points: 21505 |
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Ozrics are actually a good example, I like them a lot, they've got a bunch of albums in the high three's and a couple in the low 4's and most have several hundred ratings. Similar case to TFC's & SB. Personally I'd never put them in a Big 6 as they are pretty niche.
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Ian
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mathman0806 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6844 |
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From glancing at the responses, it seems like Marillion, Dream Theater, and Porcupine Tree are near consensus for 3 of the 6 spots. Opeth nearly made my big six. I would have no problem due to their popularity, ratings, and influence. |
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mathman0806 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 06 2014 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6844 |
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I prefer OT over TFK. For me, it was about first impressions. I heard a couple of OT songs on a prog radio show in the early 90's and it stuck. I got the albums Strangitude and Jurassic Shift. Both of which I still play. With TFK, I got a recommendation in '98 or '99 and got Stardust We Are. I thought it was well played but something about it didn't stick with me. Rarely have played it since. Every few years, I see it in my CD case and give it a try. Edited by mathman0806 - December 04 2019 at 14:26 |
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Online Points: 21505 |
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I agree with your top 3 and would argue you can't leave out Opeth given their 5 top 100 albums and 7 albums with more than 1000 ratings. 5th and 6th would be up for grabs for me.
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Ian
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Dellinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12834 |
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I had mentioned my 3 undisputed as Marillion, Dream Theater, and Porcupine Tree. After seeing many other options, I think the ones that might be considered too are Flower Kings, Spocks Beard, and Anglagard (however, I barely know music from the first two).
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