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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grumpyprogfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2019 at 14:09
Finally heard it. Decent album 3.75, predictable songwriting,the vocalist drives me nuts with his whiny delivery. The mix is very good.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2019 at 15:00
^ I was looking at the ratings of it earlier and noticed that you'd given it four stars.
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^ Good eye. Had to round up.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2019 at 15:35
To me four stars basically means, "Groovy, I really dig it", which is lower than five stars, "Hella Ace! Adore the hell out of it" and higher than three stars, "Good, but not really lighting my pipe on fire," two stars, "Not my bag, baby", and one star, "It burns! Mommy, make the bad music go away."

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Prog-jester Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2019 at 16:24
I remember discovering them through then-fresh "Dark Matter" and being blown away! I still consider this album to be their absolute pinnacle - I know, imprinting and all, but still... Going backwards (not as far as the 80s) I sorta realized they'd been essentially releasing the same record over and over ("Ever" and "The Seventh House" both sound like "Dark Matter" prequels to me). Yes "Subterranea" is different, and yes I don't like it as much.

Then they released "Frequency" and for the first time I wasn't as excited as I was hearing "The Seventh House" or "The Wake" - it was more of the same (aka "consistency"). "The Road of Bones" followed and again, these days I remember only its title track - this beautiful and haunting groovy ballad - while all other tracks sorta blur into this typical IQ-by-numbers mash.

Now with "Resistance" they lost me completely - this 109-minute monster is like an AI programm designed to create an IQ-like music All the elements are there, but I don't need elements, I need freaking SONGS! You could take any "loud" part and interchange it with any other "loud" part in other song (same goes for "quiet" parts), I doubt anyone would notice, maybe even the band themselves. Yes, they're consistent and recognizable but also disappointingly safe and dull as a result. And this is not about me discovering other music and moving away from Neo-Prog; this is about them being too busy toying with style and forgetting about the substance

6/10 Tales From the Lush Attic
8/10 The Wake
4/10 Nomzamo
2/10 Are You Sitting Comfortably?
7/10 Ever
6/10 Subterranea
9/10 The Seventh House
10/10 Dark Matter
6/10 Frequency
5/10 The Road of Bones
3/10 Resistance
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dougmcauliffe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2019 at 21:42
I listened to road of bones and man, that album is so much better imo. Only heard disc one, is disc two worth it, I feel content with just what I’ve heard
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2019 at 00:39
If we are talking about IQ perfecting a formula then I believe they did that with the track Further Away. If you listen to that back to back with The Road Of Bones then you will see what I mean. Basically they haven't innovated at all in 25 years and Martin Orford left the band (well one of the reasons anyway) because of the constant comparison with Genesis which reached it's zenith with Dark Matter ( Harvest of Souls = Suppers Ready and Sacred Sound = The Knife) . I've always loved the band because of the emotion which comes from the vocals and the wonderful lyrics (imo) . They don't say anything but they say everything.
The biggest and most important musical change was the drumming on Frequency when Andy Edwards came into the band. He only played only the one album but he raised the bar. Paul Cook came back and he has been like a man possessed! Is this the same man? His drumming has been exceptional on the last 2 albums as well as the live recording of The Wake. Mike Holmes has always been one of the best guitarists and I have always liked Neil Durant since his Sphere 3 days. Tim Esau is very solid although John Jowitt is really the dogs gonads but I've never been that bothered about bass so it's not that important. 
Anyway it's very interesting to read all the comments so keep them coming!  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2019 at 02:56
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I've never been that bothered about bass so it's not that important. 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2019 at 03:12
Originally posted by mbzr48 mbzr48 wrote:

The BEST Neo-Prog album of all times and Road of Bones is now the 2nd best Neo-Prog of all times before 2 Marillion albums that used to be the "Benchmark" of Neo-Prog fell back to #3 & #4 IMHO


I LOLed reading this...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Prog-jester Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2019 at 07:32
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

If we are talking about IQ perfecting a formula then I believe they did that with the track Further Away
yes!
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Harvest of Souls = Suppers Ready
yes
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Sacred Sound = The Knife
errm no...I'd say it's more Watcher of the Skies
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hercules Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2019 at 16:43
"but I've never been that bothered about bass so it's not that important."

I  showed that comment to my stepson. Be warned: he may be behind you with an iron bar at any moment.Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sukmytoe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2019 at 16:51
You know what I don't get? People who complain about album length being way too long. It's called value for money and more content for supporters and fans. If the damn album is too long for your attention span then play the damn songs that you like or make your own album out of the thing by editing.  Holy Moly and my goodness. Well any excuse to bash an album I guess will do. It was too long and I couldn't sit through it - shame.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dougmcauliffe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2019 at 17:06
It’s hard to stay focused for that long, and albums rarely stay interesting for that long either. There’s no big common theme between most of our top rated albums...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sukmytoe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2019 at 17:14
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

It’s hard to stay focused for that long, and albums rarely stay interesting for that long either. There’s no big common theme between most of our top rated albums...
The thing is that you don't have to take the whole thing in at once. I love Stranger Things on TV but I can't binge watch the whole damn season in one sitting. The length will never impact whether I like it or not whatsoever. If it has 45 to 50 minutes of 5 star star music on it I will rate it 5 stars - I couldn't give a damn if the rest is cr@p.


Edited by sukmytoe - October 16 2019 at 17:17
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2019 at 17:27
Originally posted by Prog-jester Prog-jester wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

If we are talking about IQ perfecting a formula then I believe they did that with the track Further Away
yes!
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Harvest of Souls = Suppers Ready
yes
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Sacred Sound = The Knife
errm no...I'd say it's more Watcher of the Skies

Supper's Ready and Gates of Delirium. The "battle" section is much more like Gates than Supper's Ready(even SR battle section). 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Prog-jester Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2019 at 09:31
Originally posted by sukmytoe sukmytoe wrote:

It's called value for money and more content for supporters and fans
I'd take quality over quantity any day, but it's just me
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote M27Barney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2019 at 12:24
Am first listening now. This is as good as anything I have heard since 1975....the first two epics are hair raisingly good...not yet got to the third....anticipation is delicious...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote M27Barney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2019 at 12:48
And for f**ks sake...this is a prog web site. The next fooker who moans about 105 minutes being far too long should be forced to listen to dexy's midnight runners on loop till froth starts seeping from their eyes...

Edited by M27Barney - October 18 2019 at 12:49
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote M27Barney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2019 at 12:57
And I have just got to the awaken piano piece...derivative? No fookin brilliant...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2019 at 00:51
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

"but I've never been that bothered about bass so it's not that important."

I  showed that comment to my stepson. Be warned: he may be behind you with an iron bar at any moment.Wink
 

LOL

Yeah I was being very flippant to say the least and should take it back. Actually Tim Esau is a very fine bass player as well demonstrated on this album and also very notably on the track The Magic Roundabout from the Wake Clap
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