The Krautrock Space

yeah to add to list, the aforementioned This Heat with their brilliant s/t album and the follow-up Deceit. Also their 12inch EP Health and Efficiency and a later release called Repeat.

Also, the might Vienna album by Ultravox. the heir to Kraftwerk's Trans Europ Express......

yeah this one is classic. and the Kraftwerk 1 and 2 and Ralf & Florian albums are definitely still very krautrock, until they did the mighty Autobahn

Hi,

Edited by moshkito - December 22 2011 at 09:48

Just like music - language is never stagnant, and I for one believe that the term Krautrock now more than ever is a word, which has no low blow aspirations whatsoever. For what it´s worth, I think it merely stands for Kosmische Musik, and if anyone here at the forum believe it to be a derogatory word, I do think we´d have heard a lot more about it. At least in this part of the forum, it is a word that inspire people to think about the more psychedelic and freeflowing parts of the progressive movement, and as much as I don´t want to pigeon-hole my favourite musics - I still want folks around here to get what I´m saying, without having to use 20 metaphors before I even get close to getting my thoughts across the vastness of the internet(Those neverending tirades of metaphors are strictly reserved for my reviews.)
Boxes are of use, only when we also have the mental power to go beyond them, and merely use them for what they are: convenient, but in no way shape or form anything close to the real deal - meaning what they represent, and I think most people know this. The music is still what counts - even if some have a way of reducing it down to a word or 2 - just like Krautrock.   

I must admit when i first saw there was a genre called Krautrock i was surprised, but after all these years it's just a name of a style of music i love and that's all.Uwe(Rivertree) is German and he'd be the perfect guy to ask if this title bothered him but i'd be really surprised if it did. I do get tired of all of this political correctness though. 

Mellotron Storm wrote: I must admit when i first saw there was a genre called Krautrock i was surprised, but after all these years it's just a name of a style of music i love and that's all.Uwe(Rivertree) is German and he'd be the perfect guy to ask if this title bothered him but i'd be really surprised if it did. I do get tired of all of this political correctness though.

thanks for mentioning me, my friend
maybe some people might have intended to use the term Krautrock with a disdainful view - it does not bother me, it's a term which has a positive background/meaning because standing for experimental approach

Woops, I got ninja´d by the man himself

So nice to hear your thoughts on this Uwe!

The term krautrock and what has been linked to it has evolved over the years

    When first coined in the very early 70s, it simply meant "German rock" Thus, bands like Triumvirat, Scorpions and Eloy were just as krautrock as the ones that fit the term as we know it now
       Initially in Germany, the term had a derogatory ring to it, just like the term "kraut", derived from sauerkraut, as a negative nickname for Germans had.
          Over the years, the term has evolved and become more specialised as befitting what it is as defined now in PA
           Also, over time,the negative connotation for Germans has had it's bite taken out of it and people on both sides of the term as it initially felt have healed and progressed from that negativity

presdoug wrote: zoviet wrote: the influence of Krautrock can also be heard in the post-punk era from late 70s to early 80s. apparently, Krautrock alongside Capt Beefheart 'survived' the critical culling prog n' fusion got, with many post-punk bands citing it as an influence. You can surely hear it in post-punk classics such as: Wire - 154 Public Image Limited - Metal Box Public Image Limited - Flowers of Romance Eurythmics - In The Garden (in fact produced by Conny Plank and feat. Can's Jaki and Holger) Simple Minds - Real To Real Cacophony Simple Minds - Empires and Dance You have made some interesting points that are new to me, and had no idea about those German artists involved with the Eurythmics-Conny Plank was also involved in the obscured solo album by the late Helmut Koellen from '77 called You Won't See Me (not really krautrock, but i just had to plug it!)     Conny Plank was am amazing and enormously important engineer/producer back in the day, involved with so many artists, just incredible

Another late-70s/early-80s post-punk band influenced by Krautrock was Ultravox!, whose "!" is a direct reference to Neu! - Conny Plank produces three of their albums too (albums 3,4 & 5) (their debut was co-produced by Eno)

Rivertree wrote: Mellotron Storm wrote: I must admit when i first saw there was a genre called Krautrock i was surprised, but after all these years it's just a name of a style of music i love and that's all.Uwe(Rivertree) is German and he'd be the perfect guy to ask if this title bothered him but i'd be really surprised if it did. I do get tired of all of this political correctness though.  thanks for mentioning me, my friend maybe some people might have intended to use the term Krautrock with a disdainful view - it does not bother me, it's a term which has a positive background/meaning because standing for experimental approach