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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2012 at 13:16
For the last couple of weeks I have been almost exclusively listening to Zappa, and I've purchased a bunch of the reissues. Here's the rundown of what I've heard so far:

Hot Rats: Original vinyl mix. I am so used to the Ryko re-mix version, I wasn't sure if I liked the vinyl mix or not. It's like having two different albums now. Each version has it's pros and cons, so I'd like to think that I can choose depending on what I'm in the mood for. I think I like the Ryko re-mix for the first 3 tunes, which have louder horns and counter melodies are better heard, and the second half is better with the original vinyl mix, since there is more improv, and the instruments sound more eqaully mixed. 

Chunga's Revenge: Vinyl mix. Sounds cleaner and clearer. Not a lot to say about it, but I've grown more appreciative of this album since I got the re-release of it.

Waka-Jawaka: This one is a great upgrade. The sound is, again, from the vinyl mix, and it sounds dry with no reverb added like before, and the horns have a nice punch to them.

Over-Nite Sensation: Vinyl mix again. Sooooo much better than the Ryko version, which sounded flat and low volume. Here, the keys have a nice raunchy sound. the bass is louder and can be felt much more, and the drums don't sound muffled anymore. The overall sound is better, great upgrade.

Roxy & Elsewhere: Same as the old Ryko CDs.

One Size Fits All: Vinyl mix. Similar description I gave for Over-Nite Sensation can be applied to this album.

Bongo Fury: Vinyl mix. Sounds raunchier than before. Everything is clear, especially the guitar; and the bass has a little more oomph to it.

Sleep Dirt: Vinyl mix. Yes, I said, vinyl mix. That means, no annoying female lounge vocals. Need I say more? Well, the sound is a little better too, at least in comparing their Lather counterparts.

Joe's Garage: Vinyl mix. This one REALLY surprised me. The rhythm section is vastly improved. It's much louder and clearer than the Ryko CDs. You can actually hear the slap and pop from Arthur Barrow's bass, and Vinny's drums have never sounded better. I always thought it was hard to hear what he was playing behind the drum set on older versions; but here, it's crystal clear, and makes the album sound a hell of a lot better. It doesn't seem like the rest of the audio is much different, maybe a little clearer too. But the improved sound of the rhythm section is more than enough to make this an essential buy. The version of "Joe's Garage" is a little bit different than the older CD versions, in one of the verses, but it's very small.

Meets the Mothers of Prevention: Sounds the same as the old Ryko versions to me. I've grown more appreciative of this album since I got the re-release of it.


Jazz From Hell: Sounds the same as the old Ryko versions to me. I've grown more appreciative of this album since I got the re-release of it.

I've got Absolutely Free, The Grand Wazoo, Apostrophe ('), Shiek YerBouti, and Ship Arriving Too Late to Save A Drowning Witch coming in the mail soon as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2012 at 18:35
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

and the second half is better with the original vinyl mix, since there is more improv, and the instruments sound more eqaully mixed.

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The vinyl mix has four minutes less improv than the CD and it completely omits certain instruments from "Little Umbrellas".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2012 at 23:06
Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

and the second half is better with the original vinyl mix, since there is more improv, and the instruments sound more eqaully mixed.

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The vinyl mix has four minutes less improv than the CD and it completely omits certain instruments from "Little Umbrellas".

Sorry, I worded that wrong. I meant the second half has more improv than the first half, which is more composed than it seems, and with that the jamming works better, especially in Gumbo Variations, the violin really rips. It's not omitted, but the piano in Little Umbrellas is more in the background, with the bass more up front, and I think it sounds cooler. I also prefer how the horns are mixed in Son of Mr. Green Genes on the remix over the vinyl. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2012 at 00:33
Got a few more in the mail yesterday. Here's the rundown:

Absolutely Free: No more added reverb, sounds nice. The instruments sound clearer. I didn't hear too big a difference, it's probably more noticeable on headphones though.

The Grand Wazoo: I took a risk, and luckily, my copy was not messed up as others online have been reporting. This one was a big upgrade, similar to Waka/Jawaka. No more added reverb, the bass is cranked up a little, and the overall sound is dryer, crisper, and man, the horns are more evenly spread out across the sonic plane.

Apostophe ('): This one was interesting. Like Hot Rats, this one was reissued as the vinyl mix, which is not the same as most Apostrophe (') CDs. It gets really loud sometimes, and then really soft. Some instruments seemed louder than other versions, and the vocals were mixed a little differently, I think. Increased bass and drum levels, similar to ON-S and OSFA.

Sheik YerBouti: One of the best albums to be reissued in the FZ catalog. EVERYTHING sounds better! EVERYTHING! The right channel has been fixed, and the band sounds so much fuller, and more intense. The guitars are crunchier, and the drums are just in your face. I'm So Cute now has the full edit, which adds 2 more minutes to the album. This is a HUGE upgrade, much like Joe's Garage.

Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch: The ZFT said this was the same as the Ryko version, but to my ears, the sound is much clearer, possibly mastered a little louder too. This is also my favorite 80s Zappa studio album.

Get these guys. You'll want to talk about them as much as I do once you do.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2012 at 05:38
The RYCO C.D.s are the ones that, in my collection, sound consistantly awfull, when compared to other C.Ds and Vinyl.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2012 at 08:27
Darkshade, you're a person with a reasonably prolific rate of Zappa absorbtion. Name the top 5 remasters.

If you include Sleep Dirt, make it top 6, I already have that remaster.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2012 at 16:15
Got a whole new batch over the last couple of weeks. I'm going to be slowing down my rate of getting these reissues, as I bought about 24 albums in less than a month (not counting non-Zappa albums).

Studio Tan: Never owned this album, never felt like it since I have Lather. This version of Studio Tan is the vinyl version which is an upgrade for anyone with an older CD. This means Greggary Peccary is about 30 seconds longer, featuring an ending that Ive never heard before. I was hesitant to get this because of aforementioned reasons, but this was a great buy, and provides an accessible amount of music from Lather without having to the entire 3 hour event.

You Are What You Is: This was a great upgrade. The sound is cleaner, and I can hear harmonies and some lyrics that I couldn't really hear on older CD versions. Some editing errors have been fixed, and like most of the other reissues, I've been rediscovering this album's greatness, especially the second half.

Baby Snakes: Never owned this album, but I had the movie. This isn't the entire concert, more like a 'selections" from it, but I forgot how fun this album is. I mostly wanted this because I find the versions here of Punky's Whips, Dinah-Moe Humm, and Tittie's N Beer hilarious. 

London Symphony Orchestra Vol. I and II: Never owned this album, and maybe only truly listened once or twice in the past. Lots of people online sa this album is bad, but I beg to differ: it's quite interesting to listen to. The reissue campaign has really allowed me to try his classical and synclavier stuff again, and I've been really appreciating those pieces a lot more lately. The LSO album contains a lot of very nervous-sounding modern classical music, some familiar, some new. Apparently the master here is the best ever on CD.

Boulez Conducts Zappa: The Perfect Stranger: Never owned this album, nor have I ever heard this one before (I think). More classical, warmer sound, open, almost ambient pieces, and the synclavier pieces are interesting. I think his later synclavier pieces are better, but these are cool too.

You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, Vol. 2: The sound seems to be a little better to me. It doesn't sound like the microphones were far away from the band, as I had interpreted the sound to be on the Ryko version. Here, it's warm, and full. The keys are more up front, and I haven't listened to this album in a long time, so I've been rediscovering it's greatness.

The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life: I had to get some '88 band albums. Neither this, nor Make A Jazz Noise Here, seem much different than the older versions, though this album has different artwork (the original, but without the band photo). The sound might be a little clearer I think.

Make A Jazz Noise Here: Same as TBBYNHIYL, but some editing errors have been corrected, such as the transition from "When Yuppies Go To Hell" to "Fire and Chains"; the latter doesn't start at the end of the former, which was a complete screw-up from the Ryko discs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2012 at 16:23
Originally posted by Canterzeuhl Canterzeuhl wrote:

Darkshade, you're a person with a reasonably prolific rate of Zappa absorbtion. Name the top 5 remasters.

If you include Sleep Dirt, make it top 6, I already have that remaster.

I'll do one even better, a top 10.

Keep in mind, this list only represents what I think are the best remasters, like the sound is improved, etc... Some albums are the same as older versions, so they sound just as good (or bad) on these reissued copies. I also haven't heard ALL the reissued Zappa albums yet.

 1. One Size Fits All
 2. Sheik YerBouti
 3. Sleep Dirt
 4. Joe's Garage
 5. Over-Nite Sensation
 6. The Grand Wazoo
 7. Waka / Jawaka
 8. Apostrophe (')
 9. You Are What You Is
10. Hot Rats

Honorable mention: Chunga's Revenge


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2012 at 16:41
I would actually put Chunga's Revenge on top, because the old CD was absolutely drowning in reverb. I've seen lots of people (including myself) say that they've gained a new appreciation for that album after listening to the remaster.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2012 at 17:40
Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

I would actually put Chunga's Revenge on top, because the old CD was absolutely drowning in reverb. I've seen lots of people (including myself) say that they've gained a new appreciation for that album after listening to the remaster.

I also gained a new appreciation for CR, but it's still an album where it seemed Frank was unsure of where to take his music next. But after thinking about it, I maybe should have put it a little higher in my list, though I don't think it can beat the top 5 or 6. Those albums sound a hell of a lot better, and are better albums (IMO) than Chunga's.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2012 at 02:52
Oh, I thought you ranked them by improvement from the previous CD.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2012 at 12:05
Here's the next batch:

Zappa in New York: Some people online have been saying it's the same source as the older CDs, but the to me, it sounds a little clearer, but then again, this album always sounded really good.

You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 1: Sounds like the older CDs as well, although I also think this one sounds a little better (maybe louder), and I much prefer the packaging of 2 CDs in one single jewel case (as all of FZ's double albums have been).

Them or Us: Digital glitches have been fixed, and the overall sound is very good. There is no extended cut of the title track, so you may want to hang on to your old copy of this album if that bothers you.

Burnt Weeny Sandwich: This one sounds amazing! The album has been reverted back to the original vinyl, so that means no more reverb that Frank added to this album in the 80s. It sounds very warm, and the instruments sound very clear, not to mention I've always thought this was one of Frank's better albums.

Broadway the Hard Way: Same comments I made about the other two '88 band albums. I believe there is some studio work on this one, as opposed to the other two which are completely live with no overdubs). I don't believe there is much differences between this one and older copies, except that it sounds just a little clearer, and maybe louder, but this was originally recorded digitally, so not much differences can be made.

Fillmore East - June 1971: This album is another vast improvement. No more digital reverb, the sound mastering makes it sound a lot better, and Willie The Pimp Part Two has been restored to the tracklisting, so this one is essential. I've come to re-appreciate this album, being I never gave the Flo and Eddie albums a good chance, and forgot how much this album seems like such a stoner album. Great upgrade anyway.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2012 at 13:04
Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

Oh, I thought you ranked them by improvement from the previous CD.

I did. The other ones were improved that much more.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2012 at 16:32
I don't think any of the other albums sounded that awful to begin with (maybe excluding Sleep Dirt if you hate the vocals). The old mix of Chunga's Revenge is completely unbearable.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2012 at 17:02
This isn't the right place to put this, so I don't mean to hijack the thread but...
 
What is the deal with the recently released FZ cd Finer Moments? I've seen no hubbub about it (here/the internet/fz.com) and unlike all recent things released by fz family trust it is available commercially. So what is this? It's not a complete concert, it's not a compilation (as far as I know), it just seems to be. Any info on this? Any idea if more things like this are planned for the future? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2012 at 17:12
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

This isn't the right place to put this, so I don't mean to hijack the thread but...
 
What is the deal with the recently released FZ cd Finer Moments? I've seen no hubbub about it (here/the internet/fz.com) and unlike all recent things released by fz family trust it is available commercially. So what is this? It's not a complete concert, it's not a compilation (as far as I know), it just seems to be. Any info on this? Any idea if more things like this are planned for the future? 

The Zappa Family Trust is VERY bad at giving information for upcoming new Zappa releases. 

From what I've read online at zappa.com's forum, and other sites, Finer Moments is this: A new Frank Zappa album, that the man himself compiled and intended to release during his lifetime, and for some reason, probably his label at the time, couldn't release. The music, as far as I know, is from the early 70s of Zappa's career. There is a lot of new material here (either completely brand new, or different version of previously released song). There are some overlaps, though, which are:

Mozart Sonata - shorter edit on YCDTOSA 5
You Never Know Who Your Friends Are - may be a longer edit of "Harmonica Fun" from Mystery Disc
Uncle Rhebus - alternate edit of "King Kong" from The Ark
The Big Squeeze - same as Lost Episodes
There Is No Heaven... - alternate edit of "You Call That Music?" from YCDTOSA 4
Skweezit - same as Mystery Disc
The Subcutaneous Peril - alternate edit of material from Carnegie Hall

I wasn't sure if I wanted to get it myself, but after some info came in, it's moved up as a possible addition to my Zappa collection whenever I get around to it.

Also, my local shop has copies of Finer Moments, and it's also available on Amazon, and I think at Zappa.com, so I don't know what you mean by the album not being available commercially.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2012 at 17:18
Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

I don't think any of the other albums sounded that awful to begin with (maybe excluding Sleep Dirt if you hate the vocals). The old mix of Chunga's Revenge is completely unbearable.

For me, this whole thing started with buying the re-release of Sleep Dirt because I wanted to finally hear the original album without those horrid vocals. I didn't expect it to sound so good though, being it came from the original analog tapes. I didn't think it would spark my obsession with getting all these reissues.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2012 at 17:20
Ahh I see. Thanks.
 
It's interesting. I suppose with all things unreleased Zappa there is bound to be some overlap. But still...given the time period it seems a worthy releases for die hards (like us) esp.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2012 at 17:21
I said it was commercially available...unlike 98% of other things they've released. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2012 at 17:31
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Ahh I see. Thanks.
 
It's interesting. I suppose with all things unreleased Zappa there is bound to be some overlap. But still...given the time period it seems a worthy releases for die hards (like us) esp.

I've found that, with the exception of the late-90s/early 2000s posthumous albums Joe's Domage/Corsage/XMASage, Mystery Disc, and EIHN, everything that has been released since Zappa's death have been worthy additions to the Frank Zappa canon. Some are so good that if they were released when Zappa was still alive, they'd be hailed as masterpieces (Lather, Wazoo, Imaginary Diseases, Buffalo). I also think albums like One Shot Deal, Hammersmith Odeon, FZ:OZ, and Trance-Fusion are great, and fill in the gaps of Frank's large discography. I haven't heard anything released in 2011 or 2012 yet.

Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

I said it was commercially available...unlike 98% of other things they've released. Tongue

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