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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2011 at 14:53
I know what you mean about tricking yourself a little bit most certainly.  I was debating if I was hearing it or just hearing the file start and stop.  Somebody thats crazy about the technicalities of it went on a massive spiel about it to me that I can't recall the specifics of because I probably didn't even understand them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2011 at 16:57
Just wait til yer nearing 60 years old Wink you won't hear a thing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2011 at 19:10
Sorry I didn't chime in sooner.  If you can't hear the high notes, crank the treble up to 11 and turn every thing else all the way down.

But seriously, crank the treble up to max everything else to min.  If you can't hear the high notes then, then forget about it.  Next, crank up the mid to the point where the high notes start to disappear and then go down a notch.  If you can turn it up all they way and still hear the high notes leave it at max.  Then crank the bass up and see if it wipes out the high notes at a certain point and then back down a notch.  And

You wouldn't happen to be one of those a-holes who drive around with the super loud thumping sub-woofer by any chance?  Because that would probably explain everything. Tongue


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2011 at 19:41
Slarti, I have a friend who hates them sub-woofers. He is working on a device which will disable them. It's very similar to the device already invented which will shut off any TV in a bar.

All players have a remote. Said remote operates on certain frequencies. Said device in development  will shut down the player. The difficulty is that the player is in a vehicle, surrounded by steel, and usually not at glass level. I'll keep you informed. If they can get it to work, you'll shut down that sub-woofer in the car next door faster than a dog can lick its balls. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2011 at 19:43
^ No I hate that and people who do that.

Ive been adjusting my settings on the speakers, and it has helped a lot. But as I said before, this problem only arises when I listen to bands like The Mars Volta or Dream Theater, where it gets loud and bombastic, and unfortunately, hearing the high notes is essential in listening to those bands.

I also realize this seems to happen when high notes are being played, and the music underneath is loud guitars or something like that. Weird, because I used to listen to a lot of rock/metal when I was in high school and had no problems. But that may be the issue as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2011 at 19:44
Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Slarti, I have a friend who hates them sub-woofers. He is working on a device which will disable them. It's very similar to the device already invented which will shut off any TV in a bar.

All players have a remote. Said remote operates on certain frequencies. Said device in development  will shut down the player. The difficulty is that the player is in a vehicle, surrounded by steel, and usually not at glass level. I'll keep you informed. If they can get it to work, you'll shut down that sub-woofer in the car next door faster than a dog can lick its balls. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2011 at 19:56
Have you tried putting samples of the passages that bother you together on a loop and tweaking away until you're happy with the sound?  I think it's either that or you'll have to quit listening to those bands and I'm guessing it's not an option.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2011 at 05:46
Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Yeah, with my headphones I heard up to 20hz (and almost could make out 21, but I think I was tricking myself a little). There could be some due validity in the previous statement. I thought my hearing sucked.

I find that really hard to believe. I just took the test and could hear up to 12kHz, but not 14kHz, which is a little on the low side but normal considering my age (36 years) and the fact that I've been listening to music on headphones for all my life and did play in a Rock band for about 5 years.

The thing is that when I played the higher frequency samples at really high volume through headphones, I could make out a tone besides the obvious start/stop noise - but it was at a lower pitch than the 12kHz tone.

So my question to those of you who aren't kids anymore and stated that you could hear beyond 16kHz: Were the tones which you heard really of ascending pitch? 


It's really unusual for any adult person to be able to hear beyond 16kHz. And it's not a cause for alarm for an adult person to not be able to hear well beyond 14kHz even if you're a musician - it's more problematic if there are "holes" in your hearing in the lower frequency ranges.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2011 at 22:09
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Yeah, with my headphones I heard up to 20hz (and almost could make out 21, but I think I was tricking myself a little). There could be some due validity in the previous statement. I thought my hearing sucked.

I find that really hard to believe. I just took the test and could hear up to 12kHz, but not 14kHz, which is a little on the low side but normal considering my age (36 years) and the fact that I've been listening to music on headphones for all my life and did play in a Rock band for about 5 years.

The thing is that when I played the higher frequency samples at really high volume through headphones, I could make out a tone besides the obvious start/stop noise - but it was at a lower pitch than the 12kHz tone.

So my question to those of you who aren't kids anymore and stated that you could hear beyond 16kHz: Were the tones which you heard really of ascending pitch? 


It's really unusual for any adult person to be able to hear beyond 16kHz. And it's not a cause for alarm for an adult person to not be able to hear well beyond 14kHz even if you're a musician - it's more problematic if there are "holes" in your hearing in the lower frequency ranges.

I was at the same point as him, certainly hearing 20 and debating if I heard 21, but I'm only 19.  A few of my friends checked this out on the same system as me and had similar results, however they were all 19-21.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2011 at 13:42
^ And you heard tones in ascending pitch?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2011 at 22:49
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ And you heard tones in ascending pitch?
As in I could I hear all the pitches lower than the highest one I could hear?  If so yes, there were no holes in my hearing range.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2011 at 08:52
No. My question is:

If you go through the sample tones from lowest to highest frequency, are these tones, as you hear them, of ascending pitch? As the frequency increases, the tone should sound "higher". If this isn't the case for the tones that you're hearing, chances are you're hearing compression artefacts. If I turn up the volume really high, I can hear such an artefact for the 20kHz tone, and I realize that I can't really hear the 20kHz because what I'm hearing is of lower pitch than for example the 12kHz tone which I can clearly hear. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2011 at 18:31
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Yeah, with my headphones I heard up to 20hz (and almost could make out 21, but I think I was tricking myself a little). There could be some due validity in the previous statement. I thought my hearing sucked.

I find that really hard to believe. I just took the test and could hear up to 12kHz, but not 14kHz, which is a little on the low side but normal considering my age (36 years) and the fact that I've been listening to music on headphones for all my life and did play in a Rock band for about 5 years.

The thing is that when I played the higher frequency samples at really high volume through headphones, I could make out a tone besides the obvious start/stop noise - but it was at a lower pitch than the 12kHz tone.

So my question to those of you who aren't kids anymore and stated that you could hear beyond 16kHz: Were the tones which you heard really of ascending pitch? 


It's really unusual for any adult person to be able to hear beyond 16kHz. And it's not a cause for alarm for an adult person to not be able to hear well beyond 14kHz even if you're a musician - it's more problematic if there are "holes" in your hearing in the lower frequency ranges.
 
Given Alitare's 21 years, he's like a lot teens and young adults, his hearing capacities are generally much superior to mature adults... They can catch frequencies somewhat higher than we can....
 
In Europe, some firm invented some kind of emitter (I forget the specific name given to it) working around the 20KHz, to drive away unrully teens and young adults from specific places.... and it works like mad.... To the point that these sirens are now illegal, because they are making some kind of discrimination...
 
I don't recall the details of the full story about this emitter, but if a teen tells me he's able to hear up to 19 or 20K, I've got no reason to disbelieve him.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2011 at 23:42
The Mosquito? It works the opposite way as well, kids set it as their ring tone and someone older (their teacher) would be unable to hear it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2011 at 02:36
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Yeah, with my headphones I heard up to 20hz (and almost could make out 21, but I think I was tricking myself a little). There could be some due validity in the previous statement. I thought my hearing sucked.

I find that really hard to believe. I just took the test and could hear up to 12kHz, but not 14kHz, which is a little on the low side but normal considering my age (36 years) and the fact that I've been listening to music on headphones for all my life and did play in a Rock band for about 5 years.

The thing is that when I played the higher frequency samples at really high volume through headphones, I could make out a tone besides the obvious start/stop noise - but it was at a lower pitch than the 12kHz tone.

So my question to those of you who aren't kids anymore and stated that you could hear beyond 16kHz: Were the tones which you heard really of ascending pitch? 


It's really unusual for any adult person to be able to hear beyond 16kHz. And it's not a cause for alarm for an adult person to not be able to hear well beyond 14kHz even if you're a musician - it's more problematic if there are "holes" in your hearing in the lower frequency ranges.
 
Given Alitare's 21 years, he's like a lot teens and young adults, his hearing capacities are generally much superior to mature adults... They can catch frequencies somewhat higher than we can....
 
In Europe, some firm invented some kind of emitter (I forget the specific name given to it) working around the 20KHz, to drive away unrully teens and young adults from specific places.... and it works like mad.... To the point that these sirens are now illegal, because they are making some kind of discrimination...
 
I don't recall the details of the full story about this emitter, but if a teen tells me he's able to hear up to 19 or 20K, I've got no reason to disbelieve him.
 

It's surely possible and I don't really disbelieve the claim ... I'm just curious about it and so I ask a question which people refuse to answer, and that makes me even more curious. But I still don't draw a definitive conclusion from that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2011 at 11:04
I'm 32. I could hear up to 16khz without headphones (just the crappy MAcbook speakers) and up to 17 with headphones. I mostly use big, around-ear headphones (this, actually) to hear my music. Are they better or worse than earbuds and other kind of headphones in causing hearing damage?  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2011 at 12:11
^Earbuds have to be worse for your ears.  They always sound so low budget with NO bass that the high and mid range just absolutely massacres your ears.  I'm talking about the Ipod headphones by the way.  Also, large headphones block out outside sound a lot more, so you don't need to have it as loud.  However, it depends on what you're doing with them, my large headphones can go to volumes that could destroy my ears in a very short period of time, whereas my Ipod headphones can't even drown out the annoying people around me. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2011 at 02:37
^ That's not exactly true - it's not so much the size of the headphones that matters, it's the type. I agree that earbuds are worst - but in ear headphones can be as good as big headphones both in terms of blocking outside noise and delivering a good frequency response across the spectrum.
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