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Icarium ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 21 2008 Location: Tigerstaden Status: Offline Points: 34086 |
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Katie Melua is a godess
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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![]() ![]() Batt produced the album and he produced a Folk-Pop album, and not the Electric Folk or Folk-Rock of their previous albums (admittedly he/they did try and redress that on Rocket Cottage). Now everyone knows I love pop, especially 60s, 70s & 80s pop, and I have no problems with rock or folk bands "going pop", but this I simply didn't like. No puzzle.
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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Green Shield Stamp ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 17 2009 Location: Telford, UK Status: Offline Points: 933 |
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After getting the albums Schizophonia and The Tarot Suite (the best albums that The Alan Parsons Project didn't record), I have just acquired Arabesque, which sounds a little like latter day Camel. The strong use of Davy Spillane's Uilleann pipes and low whistle bear similarity to 'Harbour of Tears'. I have also bought Seven Days in Berlin, which is a very experimental orchestral album.
The more I listen to Mike Batt, the less I can understand why he is not considered prog enough to be included in Prog Archives. Is his association with the Wombles something to do with it? If this is the case, then it seems very unfair. It would be like defining Paul McCartney purely by 'The Frog Chorus' or David Bowie by 'The Laughing Gnome'.
Until I read the article on Batt in the March issue of Classic Rock Presents Prog, I had no idea how progressive Batt was as a songwriter, arranger and orchestrator.
I suspect that those who argue against Batt's inclusion here may not be familiar with these more overtly prog aspects of his recorded output.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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^ This isn't a "lets include Mike Batt in PA" thread, it's a general discussion about Mike Batt in "General Music DIscussions". I've not given an opinion on whether he should be included, nor cited any of his projects as a musician for reason to include or exclude him. Same is true of any comments about him as an A&R man for Liberty or as a producer (not that either of them would make him eligible for inclusion).
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Green Shield Stamp ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 17 2009 Location: Telford, UK Status: Offline Points: 933 |
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Dean, the thread is locked down in the correct forum even though the opening post is clearly asking why Batt is not in Prog Archives. My original posting also was not placed in the "General Music DIscussions" but was subsequently moved here by an administrator. It seems that Batt can only be discussed at present within this particular forum which does not allow for any discussion concerning his elegibility for inclusion in Prog Archives. So I will drop out of this thread and wait until a future time when maybe the original question will be considered suitable for discussion.
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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^You didn't start your thread in "Suggest bands and Artists" either. In fact neither you or the originator of this thread have proposed him.
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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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The problem was that the OP opened two identical threads at the same time on Mike Batt in different forums.
As the discussion seems to be in the main about whether he should be on the site or not, I'll relocate this one to the Suggest new bands section, to allow that discussion to continue.
I don't think there's been any great objection to his inclusion so far. His involvement with the Wombles will inevitably lead to jokes being made, especially by those only familiar with that part of his career.
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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No one has actually proposed him, unless I missed it.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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harmonium.ro ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
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Whaa? What the hell kind of band suggestion is this?
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Andy Webb ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: June 04 2010 Location: Terria Status: Offline Points: 13298 |
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My thoughts exactly
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crimhead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: October 10 2006 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 19236 |
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Laughing his way to the bank. Smart to take a percentage on this rather than the money up front. There's money in kids music. |
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crimhead ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: October 10 2006 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 19236 |
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Works for me. I'd buy that for a dollar. |
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Green Shield Stamp ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 17 2009 Location: Telford, UK Status: Offline Points: 933 |
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I'd like to hereby propose that Mike Batt be included in Prog Archives. What do you say?
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Andy Webb ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: June 04 2010 Location: Terria Status: Offline Points: 13298 |
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Have any samples, youtube videos, links, etc that could help us determine if this music is prog?
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Pastor Rex Cat ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 28 2010 Location: Western Canada Status: Offline Points: 2205 |
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http://revbookburn.blogspot.com/
http://www.youtube.com/user/rexcat http://www.myspace.com/prxcat Greetings! And Welcome to The Global Internet Church of Prog! Hail the Prog and Praise "Bob"! |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29560 |
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From that link:
Songs that refer to All Around My Hat (song)
Jasper Carrot sang a parody "It's my bloody ribbon and it's my bloody hat" at the Cambridge folk Festival in 1976. The Wombles and Jasper Carrot for 'prog related'? You know it makes sense
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29560 |
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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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To those ridiculing the suggestion, I would emphasise that this would not lead to the inclusion of the Wombles, Melua, or anyone else Batt has worked with. This is purely about his solo work. If you have not heard his solo albums, you may be pleasantly surprised. They have nothing in common with the other facets of his career.
To reject him on the basis of work which is not being proposed for inclusion would be churlish and misguided. Let him stand or fall for admission based only on his solo albums.
As you will gather, I support his inclusion, either as prog related or in a prog category. More importantly, I think it is important that he is assessed fairly.
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