Stevie Wonder for Progressive Motown

Snow Dog wrote: micky wrote: AtomicCrimsonRush wrote: I hope this is a freaking joke - If Stevie W gets on here we will be laughed out of the prog convention society  and our corpses will be hung up to dry as the masses throw rotten tomatoes at our emaciated frames... ... sorry to break it to you.. as a member of the 'prog convention society'...but it is that attitude.. not the adding of artists that is the reason why the site IS laughed at.  Envy is a terrible thing.

hah...  you know what is worse..

seeing what was once a great site.. and still the home of many great people laughed at.. and regularly trashed.  It isn't envy Ian..  would be easy to laugh it off and call it that.  Envy?  of what???


Edited by micky - July 10 2010 at 08:07

That's a shame Micky. I beg to differ on that front without offering reams of evidence to support my opinion.

Chris S wrote: That's a shame Micky. I beg to differ on that front without offering reams of evidence to support my opinion.

only passing on what I hear Chris... for whatever it's worth.  People can get defensive and sure some keyboard warriors will take issue what I am saying and flame me hard.. or people can  look long and hard at what can be done to improve the site.  Lord knows I've put my time and effort into the site to still care how the site is seen and perceived.

You want evidence? OK. I am in touch with a number of musicians from bands that have been waiting MONTHS (when not years) to be added to the database - when their albums have been extensively reviewed and covered by other prog websites. I was talking about that with one of them a couple of days ago. No addition means no reviews, so much less exposure for people who, in most cases, have to hold a day job in order to be able to play and record their music. PA's mission should be to support those people, not to discuss whether to add Stevie Wonder, Tom Waits or whatever. 

^ Don't you think that is a manpower issue Raff? I mean we all have lives outside PA and the eval/addition process is time consuming. So what's your solution?

micky wrote: Chris S wrote: That's a shame Micky. I beg to differ on that front without offering reams of evidence to support my opinion. only passing on what I hear Chris... for whatever it's worth.  People can get defensive and sure some keyboard warriors will take issue what I am saying and flame me hard.. or people can  look long and hard at what can be done to improve the site.  Lord knows I've put my time and effort into the site to still care how the site is seen and perceived.

Come on then Micky, let's not beat about the bush and state unsubstantiated generalities, bring in some specifics to support your stance. As you know Chris, Brian, Olav and myself are pretty inclusive when it comes to additions (okay, me less so now-a-days as the "quality" of some of these suggestions has diminished over the years). If this site is being laughed at for being exclusive, by whom? - from what we've seen the reverse is true (Progressor Magazine for example). If the additions policy is broken, enlighten us.

micky wrote: Snow Dog wrote: micky wrote: my point... and how it pertains to discussion such as this. It isn't envy... people here have been living in the fishbowl here too long... where the site loses credibility... and when people and the dude I quoted earlier start moaning about loosing credibility for adding this artist or that.   when I have heard ...bands are starting the notice the broken additions policies here.. the months to add... pingponging.  The criticism I have heard is not coming from rival sites.. but those within the prog establishment. envy?    hahhaha. You are telling me members of Prog bands are laugh at this site? Seems like strange behaviiour. What is "broken additions poliicies"? I don't know about this. broken it that bands have not been added.. whether forgotten...  ping-ponged.. or just held off for so long because so few have the work of so many.  When bands notice that... you.. the site.. has a very real problem.  If there are not enough people to deal with the workload.. you either get more... or make it easier to get bands added.

Just for the record: it's PROGRESSION Magazine, not Progressor. Progressor is the 12-year-old website, based in Uzbekistan, with which both Olav and I collaborate. As far as I know, no one on ProgressoR has ever laughed at PA. 

Dean wrote: micky wrote: Chris S wrote: That's a shame Micky. I beg to differ on that front without offering reams of evidence to support my opinion. only passing on what I hear Chris... for whatever it's worth.  People can get defensive and sure some keyboard warriors will take issue what I am saying and flame me hard.. or people can  look long and hard at what can be done to improve the site.  Lord knows I've put my time and effort into the site to still care how the site is seen and perceived. Come on then Micky, let's not beat about the bush and state unsubstantiated generalities, bring in some specifics to support your stance. As you know Chris, Brian, Olav and myself are pretty inclusive when it comes to additions (okay, me less so now-a-days as the "quality" of some of these suggestions has diminished over the years). If this site is being laughed at for being exclusive, by whom? - from what we've seen the reverse is true (Progressor Magazine for example). If the additions policy is broken, enlighten us.

my stance?  No.. not my stance.  Dean... I am only pointing out what I have heard. I sure don't have an axe to grind. Only a sense  in that I saw this happening some years back when I saw collabs disappear... genre teams empty..  or with barely anyone at home.   Figured it was only a matter of time before enough bands didn't get added for people to notice.  Take it for what it's worth. As Raff noted.. people.. bands are noticing that bands fall through the cracks...  take months to get added because people can not agree on a subgenre... or can't agree if they are prog or not. If the site doesn't think that is a problem... or wants to think there is no problem at all... then it is what it is.  Not taking anything away from the people who work their asses off...  but shouldn't the site be trying to make their job easier. 





Edited by micky - July 10 2010 at 08:52

^ I concur this point on a specific artist/s in general