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lucas
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Posted: February 18 2010 at 16:45 |
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now THIS is prog-metal. [sad wings of destiny]
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yes, indeed, but you know it seems that the one who included Black Sabbath and Deep Purple (not prog at all) is very selective in his/her choices...
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Tuonela
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Posted: February 21 2010 at 10:37 |
Defenders Of The Faith is my personal fave, although Sad Wings is close behind... But because of Freewheel Burning, Rock Hard Ride Free and The Sentinel I have to give my vote to the Defenders... album. Damn good stuff! And I agree that Priest is more prog (especially Sad Wings) than people give credit for...
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LinusW
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Posted: February 21 2010 at 10:49 |
Massive Priest fan, so this is a tough one.
Sad Wings, Sin After Sin and Stained Class are absolutely killer albums. Hell Bent For Leather is great, but not as consistent as the previous three, a trend that continues for a couple of albums - fantastic songs mixed with mediocre ones.
Painkiller kicks some serious ass, but that's New Priest, so we're talking a different band then ;) . Jugulator and Demolition falls under the Blaze Bayley-phenomenom and thus they are blissfully ignored by me. Hihi.
Nostradamus was nice. Pompous, overblown, cheesy - but hey, we're prog fans around here, aren't we? Seeing some of those songs live made them truly great. Couldn't beat an ear-shattering Dissident Aggressor though.
I quite like the two oddities Point of Entry and Rocka Rolla as well, but they are far from favourites.
So...giving it to Sin After Sin this time.
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Zargus
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Posted: February 21 2010 at 11:20 |
Stained Class is my favorite.
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micky
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Posted: February 22 2010 at 19:44 |
lucas wrote:
micky wrote:
now THIS is prog-metal. [sad wings of destiny]
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yes, indeed, but you know it seems that the one who included Black Sabbath and Deep Purple (not prog at all) is very selective in his/her choices... |
ehh... I didn't agree with including Black Sabbath.. but definitely saw the rationale behind it. As far as Deep Purple... the less said the better. Anyone who doesn't see the rationale for them being here simply ..well.. has a very short-sighted view of prog. There is a entire branch of prog on this site based ON Deep Purple. The crime isn't that they are here.. it is where they are placed. When clone bands are listed in heavy prog.. yet the band they sprung from... isn't there. It isn't being selective... it is simply not thinking and being stubborn.
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Nightfly
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Posted: February 23 2010 at 06:41 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Always had a soft spot for......
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Me too! I love that album.
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Kashmir75
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Posted: February 25 2010 at 21:36 |
Painkiller is my favourite. Followed by Screaming for Vengeance and British Steel.
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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Kashmir75
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Posted: February 25 2010 at 21:39 |
Odd.. I have always thought early Sabbath was far more proggy than anything by Purple. What's an example of a proto-prog song by Deep Purple? With Sabbath, albums like Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage scream proto prog metal (Rick Wakeman's even on the former one)
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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martinprog77
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Posted: February 26 2010 at 04:26 |
Sad Wings of Destiny
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Nothing can last
there are no second chances.
Never give a day away.
Always live for today.
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Catcher10
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Posted: February 26 2010 at 10:00 |
I have to go with Screaming For Vengence.....Give props to my 80's heavy metal years....I love all that music (not the big hair metal...not a fan) I saw JP at the US Festival '83.....I think I still suffer heat stroke from that day...
Great performance...great band!!
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rushfan4
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Posted: February 26 2010 at 10:13 |
Kashmir75 wrote:
Odd.. I have always thought early Sabbath was far more proggy than anything by Purple. What's an example of a proto-prog song by Deep Purple? With Sabbath, albums like Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage scream proto prog metal (Rick Wakeman's even on the former one) |
I believe that Child In Time is probably the song that is most cited to represent Deep Purple's progressiveness.
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benb
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 23:30 |
Screaming For Vengeance
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Morningrise
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Posted: March 06 2010 at 12:05 |
To me it has to be Painkiller. Every single track on the album is awesome. Side B of Sad Wings Of Destiny is stunning as well.
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Green Shield Stamp
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Posted: March 06 2010 at 12:56 |
'Screaming for Vengeance' but I have never heard 'Painkiller' - must check it out!
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Haiku
Writing a poem
With seventeen syllables
Is very diffic....
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The Quiet One
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Posted: March 06 2010 at 13:00 |
Kashmir75 wrote:
Odd.. I have always thought early Sabbath was far more proggy than anything by Purple. What's an example of a proto-prog song by Deep Purple? With Sabbath, albums like Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage scream proto prog metal (Rick Wakeman's even on the former one) |
I agree with you that Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage are very prog-related, so much that I would place them in Heavy Prog.
When it comes to Deep Purple's progressiveness, I don't think they ever were a Prog/Related band with the classic MK 2. However, the MK 1 line-up definitely justifies their entry to Proto-Prog, just listen to The Book of Taliesyn and the s/t.
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Raff
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Posted: March 06 2010 at 13:07 |
The Quiet One wrote:
I agree with you that Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage are very prog-related, so much that I would place them in Heavy Prog.
When it comes to Deep Purple's progressiveness, I don't think they ever were a Prog/Related band with the classic MK 2. However, the MK 1 line-up definitely justifies their entry to Proto-Prog, just listen to The Book of Taliesyn and the s/t. |
I beg to disagree on MK 2, Pablo. The double whammy of "The Mule" and "Fools" is definitely more than prog-related, and then we have "Space Truckin'" - as well as the frequent nods to prog on "In Rock". Oddly enough, the DP album that my 'boss' at ProgressoR, Vitaly Menshikov, rates most highly is Perfect Strangers. Anyway, I just would like to know in which way Uriah Heep are more progressive than DP, because I sure can't hear it in their music... But I'd rather avoid getting into a debate about that, since lately it has become difficult to discuss anything here without getting into a fight.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: March 06 2010 at 13:12 |
Raff wrote:
The Quiet One wrote:
I agree with you that Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage are very prog-related, so much that I would place them in Heavy Prog.
When it comes to Deep Purple's progressiveness, I don't think they ever were a Prog/Related band with the classic MK 2. However, the MK 1 line-up definitely justifies their entry to Proto-Prog, just listen to The Book of Taliesyn and the s/t. |
I beg to disagree on MK 2, Pablo. The double whammy of "The Mule" and "Fools" is definitely more than prog-related, and then we have "Space Truckin'" - as well as the frequent nods to prog on "In Rock". Oddly enough, the DP album that my 'boss' at ProgressoR, Vitaly Menshikov, rates most highly is Perfect Strangers. Anyway, I just would like to know in which way Uriah Heep are more progressive than DP, because I sure can't hear it in their music... But I'd rather avoid getting into a debate about that, since lately it has become difficult to discuss anything here without getting into a fight.
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Raff, I thought people here, specially you, didn't like using "well how is X more Prog than Y"
If it comes to that, then yes, Deep Purple are as progressive as Uriah Heep, Atomic Rooster and such.
By the way, I doubt we would get into a fight, I mean both of us. Just a constructive discussion, I hope.
Edited by The Quiet One - March 06 2010 at 13:13
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jammun
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Posted: March 06 2010 at 13:31 |
Raff, let's pick sides and fight. I'm on your side of the line. Uriah Heep, good as they sometimes were, are just not in the same league as Deep Purple. In baseball terms, Deep Purple is the majors. Uriah Heep is double-, maybe triple-A.
Now as for Judas Priest. I think I've told this one before. One of my ex-girlfriends, many years ago, was a huge Dylan/Baez/Lightfoot folk-rock fan. I played Priest's version of Diamonds and Rust for her. For a few minutes there, I thought she was going to go cataleptic on me. Now that's the sign of a good band, or the sign of an ex-girlfriend.
Screaming's a great album. Is it Defender's that has the stunning Freewheel Burning? That'll wake you up when played at high volume. Painkiller is just that, played at sufficient volume.
I've got the beautiful Priest box set, Metalogy. Metal-studded box. Four CD's + 1 DVD of pure Priest.
If you dare not to like it, it will surely kick your ass.
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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rushfan4
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Posted: March 06 2010 at 13:35 |
That, my friend, is one Judas Priest release that I do not have.
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micky
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Posted: March 06 2010 at 18:00 |
jammun wrote:
Raff, let's pick sides and fight. I'm on your side of the line. Uriah Heep, good as they sometimes were, are just not in the same league as Deep Purple. In baseball terms, Deep Purple is the majors. Uriah Heep is double-, maybe triple-A.
Now as for Judas Priest. I think I've told this one before. One of my ex-girlfriends, many years ago, was a huge Dylan/Baez/Lightfoot folk-rock fan. I played Priest's version of Diamonds and Rust for her. For a few minutes there, I thought she was going to go cataleptic on me. Now that's the sign of a good band, or the sign of an ex-girlfriend.
Screaming's a great album. Is it Defender's that has the stunning Freewheel Burning? That'll wake you up when played at high volume. Painkiller is just that, played at sufficient volume.
I've got the beautiful Priest box set, Metalogy. Metal-studded box. Four CD's + 1 DVD of pure Priest.
If you dare not to like it, it will surely kick your ass. |
oh man.. that is sweet!!!! as far as Uriah Heep and DP... there have been some threads in the past on that subject. Leaving quality aside... there are very few musical difference between them... at least for the for the first 5 or 6 DP albums while Jon Lord led the group .. which includes what.. more than half of what Mk II did. DP and their first 6 albums easily compares to anything Uriah Heep did sylistically.. and might be argued they surpassed it. What is the difference... Uriah Heep made little imprint on the rock world at large.. Deep Purple later became one of the biggest groups in the world. So for that piddling detail... one is prog.. and the other isn't. Never realized that obscurity and lack of importance was one of the defiining characteristics of prog. Duh.. I thought it was about the music. Deep Purple just didn't have one.. or two prog albums.. but 6. The 3 from Mk 1.. and the first 3 from Mk 2. The site will never allow the group to be moved.. and don't think anyone wants to attempt to try to have them moved since elements of the admin team have made it clear it isn't going to happen. However from a general standpoint.. to not consider Deep Purple prog is to deny heavy prog exists. .since they not created it.. they defined it... then again it wouldn't surprise me to have someone deny it... we still have people that deny prog metal exists. What can you do with people like that.. when reason fails... just let them wear their cute tin foil hats and go on thinking that prog is so easy... and so narrow a branch of music.
Edited by micky - March 06 2010 at 18:04
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