Buckethead

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^ That is a good demonstration only if the hypothesis is true (Buckethead ain't prog). Well, I've actually heard some Buckethead and the albums were MOST DEFINITELY progressive rock, it's just that it's difficult to say what kind of subgenre would fit him best.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:   Isn't the reason why the team hasn't added him becauuse they don't believe he's Ptrog enough?

Assumptions are not fact. How about the the Prog-Metal team not accepting Buckethead because it isn't Prog Metal? You should a thought to that, in fact you're a Collaborator. If the Symphonic Team rejects a suggestion then it automatically means only that it wasn't prog?! Come on...

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: But if a METAL artist, recognized everywhere as MEYTAL, in every METAL piece of literature, is rejected by the Prog METAL team, it0s time to wait.

That is not a real argument at all. Do you think you're offering any credible argument if 1. you say you don't understand the music and 2. you only give a circumstantial argument, with no connection to what we're dealing with, i.e. music?

I don't understand Ivan, if you say you don't understand the music then why bother?

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:   Please, a bit of coherence, Buckethead is a Metal artist beyond any doubt, more than Prog, more than anything the word METAL defines him, no metal team, no Prog Archives IMO.

I bet you he get's added this time

Swan Song wrote: Assumptions are not fact. How about the the Prog-Metal team not accepting Buckethead because it isn't Prog Metal? You should a thought to that, in fact you're a Collaborator. If the Symphonic Team rejects a suggestion then it automatically means only that it wasn't prog?! Come on...     I'm not assuning anything, when we don't accep't a band as Symphonic, we:   1..-Give our opibnion about being Prog or not 2.- Recommend alternative genres if we believe is Prog 3.- We even make a tentative bio and add samples if possible and legal   I see nothing of this isn the Prog metal Team except an express mention that he was REJECTED   MikeEnRegalia wrote: Well ... he was rejected by the PMT (although we could discuss him again) so that leaves prog related and Art Rock ... I don't think that he's much more progressive than Vai so prog related would probably be the best solution. http://www.progarchives.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9667&KW=Buckethead&PN=4    So I'm not guessing, I'm basing myself in words as:   Petrovsk Mizinski wrote: If I came across as bashing Buckethead, that's not the case at all. He is in my top 5 favorite guitarists of all time always manages to sit in my top ten most played artists in my Last FM profile and indeed, I have learnt a few of his songs on guitar. I consider him to a truly amazing genius and to have been able to have played with so many artists and bands over the years, is no easy feat. The problem with Buckethead is consistency in progressive or prog related output... but the same can be said of even many prog artists too, so perhaps. http://www.progarchives.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9667&KW=Buckethead&PN=5   As far as i see, they have said he's not Prog enough, so I'm not the one guessing That is not a real argument at all. Do you think you're offering any credible argument if 1. you say you don't understand the music and 2. you only give a circumstantial argument, with no connection to what we're dealing with, i.e. music?   Circunstantial???? Does all  the existing Metal literature is circunstantial? Do we know more about Metal than them? I don't understand Ivan, if you say you don't understand the music then why bother?   I don't care for Buckethead at all or understand him too much, but i care about prog Archives and understand a bit what prog is, and IMO I have strong doubts about him being Prog, even the experts say MAYBE Prog Related.   Whenever Prog Archives reputation and credibility is on risk, I will care, no matter who the artist is I bet you he get's added this time   Please grow up a bit, I care too much about the site to bet on it's coherence, maybe he's added, well, the big difference is that I'll shut up, but that won't happen if he's rejected, somebody will insist again and again and again and again......

Slartibartfast wrote: Petrovsk Mizinski wrote: It's a case of what albums people have heard too. He has such a stupid amount of albums for a guy since lately he has been putting out at least 2 albums a year, sometimes up to 4 a year and not all those albums have equal amounts of progressive material in them. He has AT LEAST 10+ albums of the 26 albums he has put that that I think are easy fits for experimental/post metal. Given some bands have not even released that many albums and are in the genre, Buckethead should be here, easily. Well perhaps he can't be added because he may overload the site, I mean look at this: http://www.bingeandgrab.com/discography_years.html recordings that Buckethead appears on...click on the titles for more info on the pages of listings, the cover art is linked to an online point of purchase when available if you know of better sources for any of these releases, have more info, or find dead links, please let me know

Not sure if you're kidding around or not, you probably are, but we would add stuff under Buckethead, not side projects since that isn't technically Buckethead. Side projects would require another artist entry entirely.





Edited by Petrovsk Mizinski - May 16 2009 at 06:21

I'm not even gonna bother reading all of Ivan's posts and the content in them since a lot of it isn't helping at all and constantly enlarging the font against all the other normal posts with normal sized font just makes it hard to read anyway, but what I will say is that Buckethead has 2 yes votes so far by the Prog Metal Team and the decision to leave him in the rejected position is always subject to change at this point.

I honestly believe that if one is to actually get the right albums, it's an easy yes vote.
Some of Buckethead's albums are very straight forward like some prog artists do sometimes, but like prog artists with a lot of albums under their belt, he also has a large number of very experimental.material.
For the voting process, you do not look at through the eyes of tech extreme metal or prog metal in the style of Dream Theater (traditional prog metal) but through experimental metal eyes.
What qualifies as experimental metal which has it's place in PA with Experimental/Post metal, is not the same as what qualifies for trad prog metal or tech/extreme.
Many other sources consider some of his work to be highly experimental, I believe PA could do the same too.

Hmm, this isn't doing any good to either Buckethead, PA or ourselves. There's some excellent prog this man made and it should be cherrised, not quarelled above. Sorry for coming off so confrontational, I apologise. I'm starting to document, maybe I'll try a bio. ;)

I have to say, this is becoming really tiresome... Every time a well-known band or artist is suggested for addition, the thread becomes a cross between a pulpit and a ring. I am sure this is scaring people off, which is in my opinion a much worse thing than having 'controversial' acts added to the database. Moreover, I wonder at all the people who seem to take the time to rant and rave in those threads, when there are so many suggestion threads that are left almost without response at all. If we really cared about getting 'real' prog bands added, we'd concentrate on those threads, instead of calling each other names every time the likes of Dire Straits, XTC or Buckethead (to name but three) are suggested.

Just my two cents, of course...

And Ivan, as an outsider looking in, you are coming off rather barbaric and childish. No offense, and I'm not trying to insult you, but you seem to be letting this get to you, and it seems to be negatively affecting your judgment. Not that I think Swan Song is doing much better, but the arguments I've seen proposed by the both of you are subjective and opinionated bias at best.

can we step away from this one for a while? I will ask Ivan and Swan Song not to post in this thread for 24hrs as a cool off, please.