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JLocke 
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 Posted: March 28 2009 at 15:11 |
 topofsm wrote:
It always amazes me in these polls how PT always beats Tool, but there are always tons of comments saying how most people prefer Tool far, far more than the other. PT usually wins because they are more proggy, but I think fans of Tool are way more passionate, because they get the awesomeness of them that isn't immediately noticeable to prog fans.
Anyway, Tool by about 10,000 miles. It's like comparing a five course dinner with dessert to a hot dog cookout. The cookout isn't bad by any means, it's just that the other is way better. |
I completely agree. 
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JLocke
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Posted: March 28 2009 at 15:14 |
stonebeard wrote:
topofsm wrote:
PT usually wins because they are more proggy, but I think fans of Tool are way more passionate, because they get the awesomeness of them that isn't immediately noticeable to prog fans. |
Don't take offense, but that's horrifically silly.
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Why? isn't it obvious to everyone here that Tool is unerraprecciated? Seems to me the only place Tool is actually given the credit they deserve is OUTSIDE of the Prog circles, while Prog Heads dismiss them because they don't sound like yet another Yes clone.
Tool is the defenition of what 'progressive' music truly is. They are so ahead of their time, in fact, that they are often missunderstood by most listeners. The same thing has happened with bands like Meshuggah, Isis, etc.
Edited by p0mt3 - March 28 2009 at 15:14
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Posted: March 28 2009 at 15:17 |
p0mt3 wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
topofsm wrote:
PT usually wins because they are more proggy, but I think fans of Tool are way more passionate, because they get the awesomeness of them that isn't immediately noticeable to prog fans. |
Don't take offense, but that's horrifically silly.
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Why? isn't it obvious to everyone here that Tool is unerraprecciated? Seems to me the only place Tool is actually given the credit they deserve is OUTSIDE of the Prog circles, while Prog Heads dismiss them because they don't sound like yet another Yes clone.
Tool is the defenition of what 'progressive' music truly is. They are so ahead of their time, in fact, that they are often missunderstood by most listeners. The same thing has happened with bands like Meshuggah, Isis, etc. |
I don't take an opinion seriously if the theme of it is "It's too deep for you." Plus, the fanboyosity of your post doesn't help your credibility in my eyes.
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JLocke
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Posted: March 28 2009 at 15:26 |
stonebeard wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
topofsm wrote:
PT usually wins because they are more proggy, but I think fans of Tool are way more passionate, because they get the awesomeness of them that isn't immediately noticeable to prog fans. |
Don't take offense, but that's horrifically silly.
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Why? isn't it obvious to everyone here that Tool is unerraprecciated? Seems to me the only place Tool is actually given the credit they deserve is OUTSIDE of the Prog circles, while Prog Heads dismiss them because they don't sound like yet another Yes clone.
Tool is the defenition of what 'progressive' music truly is. They are so ahead of their time, in fact, that they are often missunderstood by most listeners. The same thing has happened with bands like Meshuggah, Isis, etc. |
I don't take an opinion seriously if the theme of it is "It's too deep for you."
Plus, the fanboyosity of your post doesn't help your credibility in my eyes.
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lol, that's funny . . . seeing as how I have crucified Tool's work before. Don't believe me? Go to my reviews section.
The only thing worth listening to Tool has done is post-Undertow, and even then, the only album of the three newer records I would consider to be a 5 out of 5 is "La te ra lus". The other two albums (Aenima and 10,000 Days) are full of filler.
Just because I have a Tool-themed avatar doesn't mean I'm a fanboy. I truly do believe that those who don't appreciate Tool's music are people who don't understand them. Why should that bother you? I'm not saying 'I'm above you because I like Tool and you don't', I'm just giving my opinion. I didn't like Tool at first, either.
I just happen to believe that alot of progheads dislike Tool because on its face, the band appears to be an overrated alternative metal band to alot of people. It's only when you dig deeper and listen to their music multiple times that you begin to hear the intricacies that make the music worthwhile.
Edited by p0mt3 - March 28 2009 at 15:30
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Pekka
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Posted: March 28 2009 at 15:28 |
p0mt3 wrote:
Prog Heads dismiss them because they don't sound like yet another Yes clone. |
Does PT sound like yet another Yes clone? Now that I think of it, I've never heard a Yes clone, they've been very unique to this day.
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rushfan4
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Posted: March 28 2009 at 15:29 |
That's funny since Undertow is the only Tool album that I actually like.  I'm not really sure why, but they just haven't grabbed hold of me yet.
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JLocke
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Posted: March 28 2009 at 15:32 |
Keppa4v wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
Prog Heads dismiss them because they don't sound like yet another Yes clone. |
Does PT sound like yet another Yes clone? Now that I think of it, I've never heard a Yes clone, they've been very unique to this day.
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I guess I meant that alot of prog bands take cues from Yes and bands like them because they were among the first bands to embrace the Prog label. Tool is a different breed; they take influences from everywhere but Prog (Except King Crimson, which is a huge influence on Adam Jones), yet they are still very fresh and progressive despite their distance from the familiar Prog formula. I think alot of old school prog fans misjudge them for this.
And by the way, PT aren't embraced by alot of people here, either.
Edited by p0mt3 - March 28 2009 at 15:33
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JLocke
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Posted: March 28 2009 at 15:35 |
rushfan4 wrote:
That's funny since Undertow is the only Tool album that I actually like. I'm not really sure why, but they just haven't grabbed hold of me yet. |
Meh . . . it takes awhile for some people to get into them. I thought I would never get into them a one point. Heh . . that's pretty funny to me now. 
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Posted: March 28 2009 at 15:43 |
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Arachnid1111
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Posted: March 28 2009 at 15:45 |
p0mt3 wrote:
topofsm wrote:
It always amazes me in these polls how PT always beats Tool, but there are always tons of comments saying how most people prefer Tool far, far more than the other. PT usually wins because they are more proggy, but I think fans of Tool are way more passionate, because they get the awesomeness of them that isn't immediately noticeable to prog fans.
Anyway, Tool by about 10,000 miles. It's like comparing a five course dinner with dessert to a hot dog cookout. The cookout isn't bad by any means, it's just that the other is way better. |
I completely agree. |
I agree as well. Tool is personally my favorite over Porcupine Tree, but i do however still respect porcupine tree for their musical integrity and progressiveness as well.
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JLocke
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Posted: March 28 2009 at 15:48 |
Arachnid1111 wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
topofsm wrote:
It always amazes me in these polls how PT always beats Tool, but there are always tons of comments saying how most people prefer Tool far, far more than the other. PT usually wins because they are more proggy, but I think fans of Tool are way more passionate, because they get the awesomeness of them that isn't immediately noticeable to prog fans.
Anyway, Tool by about 10,000 miles. It's like comparing a five course dinner with dessert to a hot dog cookout. The cookout isn't bad by any means, it's just that the other is way better. |
I completely agree. |
I agree as well. Tool is personally my favorite over Porcupine Tree, but i do however still respect porcupine tree for their musical integrity and progressiveness as well. |
Have you seen the ''Arriving Somewhere . . . " concert? It's amazing!
I may have voted Tool in this poll in terms of overall music, but I must say, from what I have seen, PT is a better live band than Maynard's crew..
Edited by p0mt3 - March 28 2009 at 15:49
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Arachnid1111
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Posted: March 28 2009 at 15:54 |
p0mt3 wrote:
Arachnid1111 wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
topofsm wrote:
It always amazes me in these polls how PT always beats Tool, but there are always tons of comments saying how most people prefer Tool far, far more than the other. PT usually wins because they are more proggy, but I think fans of Tool are way more passionate, because they get the awesomeness of them that isn't immediately noticeable to prog fans.
Anyway, Tool by about 10,000 miles. It's like comparing a five course dinner with dessert to a hot dog cookout. The cookout isn't bad by any means, it's just that the other is way better. |
I completely agree. |
I agree as well. Tool is personally my favorite over Porcupine Tree, but i do however still respect porcupine tree for their musical integrity and progressiveness as well. |
Have you seen the ''Arriving Somewhere . . . " concert? It's amazing!
I may have voted Tool in this poll in terms of overall music, but I must say, from what I have seen, PT is a better live band than Maynard's crew.. |
Definitely! Porcupine Tree seem to have a lot more stage presence and great malleability to themselves!
I do have to give that to them too, you hit the nail right on the head
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johnobvious
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Posted: March 28 2009 at 16:41 |
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Tool is a joke compared to PT. PT by 10,000 miles
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Arachnid1111
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Posted: March 28 2009 at 16:45 |
johnobvious wrote:
Tool is a joke compared to PT. PT by 10,000 miles |
And what may be your reasoning of that overall?
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JLocke
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Posted: March 28 2009 at 16:45 |
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Tool is a joke compared to PT. PT by 10,000 miles |
^ You sure about that? According to my ears, SW plays the same riff over and over again multiple times per album. Tool rarely becomes redundant, even with the limited amount of instruments used. And I love PT. I'm just saying . . . that's what I hear.
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Arachnid1111
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Posted: March 28 2009 at 16:49 |
p0mt3 wrote:
johnobvious wrote:
Tool is a joke compared to PT. PT by 10,000 miles |
^ You sure about that? According to my ears, SW plays the same riff over and over again multiple times per album. Tool rarely becomes redundant, even with the limited amount of instruments used. And I love PT. I'm just saying . . . that's what I hear. |
I agree. Sw does seem to do that. And Tool obviously does have a lot more spontaniety and differentials in their music
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JLocke
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Posted: March 28 2009 at 17:14 |
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^ I mean, I love both bands, but the more modern PT stuff sounds very related to one another, where as no two Tool records sound exactly alike, at least in my opinion.
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Arachnid1111
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Posted: March 28 2009 at 17:22 |
p0mt3 wrote:
^ I mean, I love both bands, but the more modern PT stuff sounds very related to one another, where as no two Tool records sound exactly alike, at least in my opinion. |
I have noticed that too! In the modern Porcupine Tree material, most of the tones, riffs, and patters aeem the same to one another.
And then when you take a look at Aenima and then a look at Lateralus, they are not alike in patterns, riffs, or tones!
It makes them a lot more diverse and keeps the listeners mind stretching (Which is probably what they want the listeners to do. Or at least one of the things.)
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johnobvious
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Posted: March 28 2009 at 20:13 |
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Tool just blends together after awhile and gets boring. I was heavily into them after Aenima but when Lateralus came out, it just became apparent that they were making the same album over and over. Didn't even bother with 10,000. A lot of people slamming PT on here when most of you would give an arm to have half the talent of SW. Maybe I overstated and honestly no opinions are going to be changed here. If you like Tool, more power to ya. I don't listen to them anymore where as PT I find to be one of my favorites.
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