Tori Amos-Deserves to be in Prograchives

^ I never listened to that album in full, I shall do so again. My favorite is Under the Pink, which is much more experimental. I wouldn't exactly call it Prog, but I can certainly understand why people suggest it for addition. 

It's amazing to see the desperation for adding remolety related aerists (even if that), as if it was a  priority for Prog Archives.

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 01 2008 at 12:53

interesting discussion.... thus I guess we can say... Ms. Amos is under eval....

my personal thoughts...to help steer the discussion in positive terms.... since I sense a recurring theme here in groups that tend to fall under the Crossover purview...

whether you agree or not about the existence of the sub-genre... it is here...  others do not have it.  We were probably the first site to really recognize what UMUR is talking about there... that prog and contemporary music.. or pop music if you want to call it that are not mutually exclusive. 

I don't care..the site doesn't care.... if you agree or disagree with that premise.. the question is...  the site has it.. and has an established set of artists which define it in a way...

the question is.. not what you personally think if she is prog or not...  christ.. we all have 50 thousand different notions of it.  The question is.. .does she.. or any group fit what the site has established as our guidelines...  what this site acknowledges to be worthy of including here.

to be honest to some whom I really respect... if you don't think Radiohead belongs here.. or is not prog.. you are not going to like or agree with much of anything that is under discussion for this sub hahahha. What helps the dicussion are those who recognize this is now an established branch of progressive rock. As an admin noted not long after the site established it...  the term Crossover started being used across the internet.  We are not making sh*t up... we just call them as we see them. We all see things differently...  try looking at it from our standpoint.. our perspective.   We have a job to do... help us by recognizing what we are really trying to do with these evals. 




Edited by micky - November 01 2008 at 14:15

then like the Stranglers Mike.. we reject it...

MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ so would I! On a more general website like PF though ... I think that these albums might score a progressive approach level of around 5 ... even if more people participate (she only has 7 album ratings so far).

yeah ..that is the sh*t sandwich we eat that comes with nice tags and standing on the cutting edge of the site.  We do.. and have been very careful with the groups we do eval Mike. Because the prog quotient..  the progressive level you speak of...  is a hard thing to judge.. try judging it against the symphonic dinosaurs and they get about a zero in traditional prog terms.  And as I aluded to above ..many do judge modern acts on outdated models and ideas of prog.  This is not a site devoted to 70's prog.. so what is here is not GOING to sound or be like the traditional prog.  So we are very...very cautious with additions.  Far more than most give us credit for.  Steely Dan, for example yet we covered our bases.. or in non-PC terms.. covered our asses  it was a no brainer.. they are listed on two other major sites but  had the approval of the owner...  and the site's experts on J-R. 

Ivan, I have no stakes in this addition (though I like Tori), but if I were you, I'd be careful about bringing up other prog sites, because in general they are much more inclusive than we are. I would recommend you have a look at some of their databases, and see what kind of artists they have there. I've seen Bob Dylan and Napalm Death on one of them, and too many to mention on another. Not naming any names though, since we are in public, but ready to provide the evidence.

Yes Raff, but not even the INCLUSIVE Prog sites have her.

Raff's point is a true one...  each site has it's own character.. it's own standards.. and is foolish to compare what each site has versus each other... .though I wouldn't mind...  would love to see Coltrane and Brubeck here as another prog site does.  Wonder if we can't have what others don't... means we have what others have...


hmmmm


Edited by micky - November 01 2008 at 15:31

that's why I'm around   but the jury already left on this case and is kicked back on the sofa watching the big game...  that is what we have genre teams for..  otherwise we'd just add what other sites do.. and not add what others don't, The other sites can be a guide.. but have nothing to do with what we do here.  Period.

of  course.. .that is what we did with the Stranglers...  but if the team had accepted  it.. we would have added them.. regardless if no sites anywhere listed them.