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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2008 at 06:13
And just look at this article from a guy who is actually on the R&RHOF ballot that agrees with a lot my points, which I just found:
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2008 at 06:06
The likes of Rolling Stone can't wipe out the sales figures, really. That 'Rock and Roll Hall of Fame' farce doesn't get treated with much seriousness in articles I've read and forums I frequent; look at the furore over Madonna's recent induction. Even worse than that for me is how marginal figures to any history of rock and roll such as Bobby Darin, Percy Sledge and Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers have been inducted when they have had few hits or in Bobby Darin's case, is scarcely linked to rock at all.
 
The problem with that institution is that inclusions such as these reflect the bias of people like Jann Wenner and Dave Marsh, who recall the 'good old days' of rock (ie- the 50s and 60s!) and find it hard to accept deviations from that format. That's why Genesis, Yes, Rush, Roxy Music, Deep Purple, ELP, King Crimson or Jethro Tull are not in there, despite having far greater influence and commercial success than those marginal inclusions I flagged up (and those are just the tip of the iceberg!). It's not even consistent; even those proto-punk type acts like The Stooges, New York Dolls and the MC5 aren't in there either.
 
History will ultimately decide; when those dinosaurs like Robert Christgau, Wenner and Marsh are long gone, I imagine rock music, as with art, literature and other musics such as jazz and classical, will gain a reassessment over the years. Prog is probably already better thought of now than it was in the 80s and 90s, I would say- only the 'old guard' of music journalists and in the UK, the likes of the NME and those music critics for The Guardian newspaper (who themselves are largely hangovers of the 80s, writing for defunct papers like Melody Maker and Sounds) seem to think there's any worth in perpetuating the old biases.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2008 at 05:01

as long as there is audience of any kind of music, the heritage will continue, much as i got my father's vinyls and my future kid will get my cds and my grand child will get his mp3s...

i know, maybe, some music may not be remembered or filed in "the history of music", albeit i find it hard not to, but people who really care will pass on the torch... besides, i don't suppose that there was eg a whole 50's music scene that everyone's ignoring its existence cause almost 6 decades have passed since then...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2008 at 01:41
I tend not to think about it really, I guess I look the future in the same way I look at non-mainstream music now. I used to find it upsetting that they're not getting the recognition they deserve, but that's just people. The mainstream is just as blind to this great music now as it will be centuries from now. Now all I can really do is take solace in the fact that I and many others can enjoy this great music to a degree the mainstream can't.

I'd also have to say that many bands that make this groundbreaking and experimental music aren't doing it for timeless fame/fortune, but to express themselves to those open-minded enough to listen and appreciate. I could be wrong, but I'd like to think many people share my sentiment that music is made for the present. 

In my opinion when great music is forgotten it isn't really a loss, because it already served its artistic purpose. Though like many other philosophical topics, opinions are subjective. It differs based on people's nature. Either way I'm just gonna put it all out of my mind and enjoy, as well as try to help others to enjoy music as much as I do. Now that I'm in university that's much easier to do, plenty of fresh intellectual minds to mold here!

I'm just rambling here though, hopefully someone will get something out of my disorganized thoughts...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2008 at 00:59
File under Philosophy...Wink

I have been thinking about this lately, and am now just putting it out there. I suppose I could say "how will prog be remembered," but this is not as specific as I'd like to be. When I read history books for classes (textbooks), I see political and economic changes with significant impact on the course of history highlighted for importance. But there is also the cultural factor. Explaining the culture of the times in times past, to me, seems much easier than if one wanted to describe the culture of the 20th and 21st centuries. Of course this is a generalization, but we cannot understate the explosion of creativity in 20th century music, specifically rock music (and also electronic/new age/etc. but specifically rock for now). I'm sure that when the history books are written after enough time has passed and we don't go as in depth as we can now with 20th century developments in society, there will be certain things covered when talking about rock music. Rock 'n' roll, The Beatles, Bob Dylan, Woodstock, superficiality (pop stars), DIY (internet, myspace) bands. But where will the music that is groundbreaking and experimental and truly worthy of being remembered, not because the masses latched onto it and it became a cultural monolith?

My fear is that 20th and 21st (so far) century music history will be written by RollingStone magazine (in essence, if not exactly reality). The mainstream acts and events will get their coverage of course, but what of progressive rock, electronica, new age, and other "niche" genres not covered by mainstream outlets? Will these be included in high school textbooks about World History in the 22nd century, where masses of people can read about them? Or will they be relegated to an upper-level History of Modern Music university course only majors in history or music would ever see? If no one remembers it, it might as well not have happened... Or perhaps it is that the music is around us, and thus cannot ever be escaped. Vinyl albums and CDs have not rotted away yet, and they might not for a long time, so as long as the physical product is out there and there is a means of playing them, is it ever dead?


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