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tuxon
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Posted: March 09 2008 at 21:08 |
Just for the heck of it here's my list.
1. Tales From Topographic Oceans - Yes 2. Script for a Jester's tear - Marillion 3. Mirage - Camel 4. Nursery Cryme - Genesis 5. The Visitor - Arena 6. Window of Life - Pendragon 7. Leftoverture - Kansas 8. Io Sono Nato Libero - Banco del mutuo soccorso 9. A Night At The Opera - Queen 10. Mei - Echolyn 11. Crime of the Century - Supertramp 12. Lizard - King Crimson 13. Godbluff - Van der Graaf Generator 14. Subterranea - IQ 15. Ring of Roses - Shadowland 16. Close to the Edge - Yes 17. Sacred Babboon - Yezda Urfa 18. Days of future Past - Moody Blues 19. Sheherazade & Other Stories - Renaissance 20. A Farewell to Kings - Rush.
and yes I know these are according to PA not all part of the symphonic movement, but I happen to think they are and therefor i'll add them 
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: March 09 2008 at 21:15 |
 Why do I even bother? I'm really sorry Tuxon but as I have said before, everyone's perception of what is "Symphonic" is so different that I wanted for it to stick only to bands in the symphonic genres even though you think those albums are symphonic. It evens the playing field. Perhaps I should have gone with post rock...
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Man With Hat
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Posted: March 09 2008 at 21:30 |
moreitsythanyou wrote:
 Why do I even bother?
I'm really sorry Tuxon but as I have said before, everyone's perception of what is "Symphonic" is so different that I wanted for it to stick only to bands in the symphonic genres even though you think those albums are symphonic. It evens the playing field.
Perhaps I should have gone with post rock...
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Thats the main problem with this. I know I've seen alot of people disagree with the movements from symph to the old art rock cat. back in the day...including myself. I really want to add KC/VDGG/GG (esp) in my list...but I won't and will die slowly inside.
I'll get a list. Aside from the grudges (with are against the site not you), its a good idea. Good to see this up again. 
And you should have done RIO. 
Edited by Man With Hat - March 09 2008 at 21:31
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: March 09 2008 at 21:34 |
I know. Those are absolutely symphonic albums, no doubt about it. But if I were to let people put in whatever they thought were symphonic, there'd be no boundaries at all. I just figured to play it safe and use the PA defined restrictions. So please people, try to stick to the site as best as possible and I promise this will be fun for everyone
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Soul Dreamer
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Posted: March 09 2008 at 23:11 |
1. Close to the Edge - Yes
2. Selling England By The Pound - Genesis
3. Going For The One - Yes
4. Moonshine - Collage
5. Relayer - Yes
6. Marbles - Marillion
7. A Trick of the Tail - Genesis
8. The Visitor - Arena
9. Foxtrot - Genesis
10. The Dreams of Men - Pallas
11. Fragile - Yes
12. Darwin! - Banco del Mutuo Soccorso
13. Escaping From the Hands of God - Saens
14. Depois do Fim - Bacamarte
15. Live at Carnagie Hall - Renaissance (if no live albums are allowed, put Scheherazade and Other Stories here)
16. The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway - Genesis
17. Zarathustra - Museo Rosenbach
18. Contagion - Arena
19. Script for a Jester's Tear - Marillion
20. Afraid of Sunlight - Marillion
21. Tales From Topographic Oceans - Yes
22. LuxAde - La Maschera di Cera
23. Brave - Marillion
24. The Yes Album - Yes
25. Into The Night - Satellite
26. Subterranea - IQ
27. Evening Games - Satellite
28. Voyage of the Acolyte - Steve Hackett
29. Io Sono Nato Libero - Banco del Mutuo Soccorso
30. Misplaced Childhood - Marillion
Edited by Soul Dreamer - March 13 2008 at 16:43
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Dim
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Posted: March 09 2008 at 23:16 |
moreitsythanyou wrote:

Perhaps I should have gone with post rock...
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I agree.
I dont remeber the last time I even pumped a symphonic album, so I wont participate. Tell me when you do the post rock one!
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 09 2008 at 23:21 |
^ now that's just silly.. some of us still listen to Symph
Edited by Atavachron - March 09 2008 at 23:21
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MusicalSalmacis
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Posted: March 10 2008 at 01:41 |
Symph Prog is the biggest of all kinds of prog. we're all mainstream!!!
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kenmartree
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Posted: March 13 2008 at 00:02 |
Moreitsy (Daniel I think), It's your poll and I respect your right to run it the way you want and PA bases subgenres by band. However here we are listing albums not bands. I think it could be fun for this to also be a place for people to be able to express their opinion on what is symphonic. If an album gets lots of votes despite not being classified on PA as symphonic then that's saying something important. Case in point, ITCOTKC is I think in a lot of peoples minds, a symphonic album but KC are not classified as symphonic because of their output as a whole. So why not let people vote for what they what and let the chips fall where they may? Kenmar
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: March 13 2008 at 00:16 |
I thought it would be easier for people to do this using preset definitions of what is and what isn't symphonic. I really do not want people to argue about what is and what isn't symphonic. I didn't have any intentions of making it so subjective as to which albums were eligible. And also, I have more lists of people who followed the rules than from those who did not. Changing the rules midway would be unfair to them. But I did realize one thing. This list isn't just for me, it's for everyone. If enough people want to include what ever they want, that's fine. I just don't want to repeat the no-rules list I did earlier. No offense to Tuxon, but there are one or two albums on his list that I really can't see as being considered symphonic. None the less, I have reached a final decision. If you can provide a well-written sentence or two describing why it should be allowed, I'll make a list of allowed albums outside the genres. If you make a convincing enough argument, I'll make that particular album eligible. (Don't worry, I'll be lenient.  ) That includes any one who already submitted a list and would like to edit it or include albums not considered symphonic on the site. I think this is a fair compromise. Just a preemptive list: King Crimson - In the Court & Lizard
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 13 2008 at 03:54 |
I think you should stick to your original rules.. there are billions of bands that "could" be considered Symph... don't bow to the pressure!!  ..heck, do what ever works, but it would make our other lists moot, I tell you, moot !
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Pekka
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Posted: March 13 2008 at 05:44 |
I tried to think why I shouldn't put three Camel albums at the top, but couldn't find any real reasons. Those are the symph albums I love the most, so why not. Here we go:
1. Camel - Mirage 2. Camel - Moonmadness 3. Camel - The Snow Goose 4. Änglagĺrd - Hybris 5. Yes - Close to the Edge 6. Camel - Rajaz 7. Premiata Forneria Marconi - Stati di Immaginazione 8. Camel - A Nod and A Wink 9. Yes - Fragile 10. Premiata Forneria Marconi - Storia di un Minuto 11. Camel - Harbour of Tears 12. Yes - The Yes Album 13. Genesis - Wind and Wuthering 14. Genesis - A Trick of the Tail 15. Premiata Forneria Marconi - Per Un Amico 16. Camel - Rain Dances 17. New Trolls - Concerto Grosso n. 1 18. Yes - Magnification 19. Premiata Forneria Marconi - L'Isola di Niente 20. Camel - Nude 21. Yes - Relayer 22. Locanda Delle Fate - Forse Le Luccione Non Si Amano Piů 23. Chris Squire - Fish Out of Water 24. Quella Vecchia Locanda - Il Tempo Della Gioia 25. Yes - Going for the One 26. Camel - Dust and Dreams 27. New Trolls - Concerto Grosso n. 2 28. Genesis - Selling England by the Pound 29. Camel - Camel 30. Yes - Tales from the Topographic Oceans 31. Genesis - Trespass 32. Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Tarkus 33. Focus - Hamburger Concerto 34. White Willow - Sacrament 35. Yes - Drama 36. Rick Wakeman - Six Wives of Henry VIII 37. Campo di Marte - Campo di Marte 38. New Trolls - UT 39. Yes - Tormato 40. Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Brain Salad Surgery
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memowakeman
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Posted: March 13 2008 at 14:55 |
1. Il Balleto di Bronzo - YS
Tell you about the other ones later 
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: March 13 2008 at 23:07 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: March 14 2008 at 00:06 |
- Foxtrot (Genesis)
- Hybris (Anglagard)
- Nursery Cryme (Genesis)
- Gothic Impressions (Par Lindh Project)
- Trespass (Genesis)
- Leftoverture (Kansas
- Illusions on a Double Dimple (Triumvirat)
- Sheherezade and other Stories (Renaissance)
- Trilogy (ELP)
- BSS (ELP)
- Darwin! (Banco del Mutuop Soccorso)
- Hamburger Concerto (Focus)
- The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (Genesis)
- SEBTP (Genesis)
- Relayer (Yes)
- Revolutions (Magenta)
- Script for a Jester's Tear (Marillion)
- Masquerade Overture (Pendragon)
- Welcome to the Freakroojm (Shadow Circus)
- Felona e Sorona (Le Orme)
Iván
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: March 14 2008 at 00:09 |
Lovely lists Iván and Keppa
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Pekka
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Posted: March 14 2008 at 14:01 |
^Thank you  There might be some changes before the deadline, I'm planning to get into Änglagĺrd's Epilog for real and there's also some promising Italian stuff from my girlfriends collection waiting to be examined...
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: March 16 2008 at 09:28 |
Temporary first 10. May be changed, will likely get the second 10 added later. 1. Close To The Edge - Yes 2. Emerson, Lake & Palmer - ELP 3. In The Court Of The Crimson King - King Crimson 4. Selling England By The Pound - Genesis 5. Tarkus - ELP 6. Trespass - Genesis 7. To Watch The Storms - Steve Hackett 8. Nursery Cryme - Genesis 9. Script For A Jester's Tear - Marillion 10. Tales From Topographic Oceans - Yes
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: March 16 2008 at 13:10 |
moreitsythanyou wrote:
Lovely lists Iván and Keppa  |
Thank you very much, but get ready, it may and will change 
I make my lists depending in the mood, normally my top 3 don't change...But the rest, well, it depends.
Iván
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ES335
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Posted: March 16 2008 at 13:16 |
moreitsythanyou wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
I think you should stick to your original rules.. there are billions of bands that "could" be considered Symph... don't bow to the pressure!! ..heck, do what ever works, but it would make our other lists moot, I tell you, moot !
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That's the biggest problem. I really didn't want to change it but if people can come up with good enough reasoning, I guess that works, although it did ruin it 
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The thing about this is that this problem could have been pretty easily foreseen. Maybe next time you should float the idea and get some fedback rather than asking for lists right off the bat. Despite the subtle pressure from a site rep to stick to your/the site's guns, those who are frustrated by the rules have a legitimate complaint: what good is a list of great symphonic albums if you can't submit great symphonic albums to the list? The solution is of course obvious: don't change the rules, change the name of the list!
Call this:
THE ULTIMATE LIST OF ALBUMS BY BANDS THAT PROGARCHIVES.COM CLASSIFIES AS SYMPHONIC, NEO-SYMPHONIC OR ITALIAN SYMPHONIC PROG
That way no one can complain because the list will be what it says it is.
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