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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: January 17 2007 at 09:54 | |
Sure - nothing is perfect, neither the power supply nor the cord. But even average power supplies filter out almost everything that might affect the sound quality - for me it just doesn't make sense to shell out €3000 to remove whatever might remain and which doesn't bother me to begin with. |
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Philéas
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Posted: January 17 2007 at 11:16 | |
I'm sure it's all about whether one wants to hear a difference or not.
Oliver wants to hear a difference, so he does, while Mike doesn't want
to hear a difference, and so does not hear any difference. Don't
underestimate the power of prejudice.
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Angelo
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Posted: January 17 2007 at 12:12 | |
Hmm - I feel like I'm spoken too. I have wood and metal boxes all around, and I pretty much believe that I won't hear a difference if I change cabling - although different cabinets or cones might. Prejudice in both directions, if someone feels good about 3(0(0(0))) euro cables - that's fine. In the end, I'm more interested in good quality sound to enjoy properly played good music, which has more value to me than listening to any music with perfect sound, (whatever that may be). Oliver - enjoy your hobby, like we enjoy ours! One day we'll find out who's right and who's fooling himself, and we might be surprised. |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: January 17 2007 at 14:03 | |
Very true. But in my case the problem's also that I know a lot about electronics, acoustics etc. ... and this prevents me from taking some of the audiophile theories seriously, including the "magic" power cords. There are (next to) no hard facts, no proof that they actually have an effect on the sound - only some audiophiles who claim that the hear a striking difference. When I compare 16bit digital audio to 24bit digital audio then it's obvious that there could be a remarkable difference, but with a simple power cord with no active circuitry which costs €3000 ... sorry, I'm not buying it. The point is: If there is a really remarkable difference in quality like it is described in the article, most people would recognize it in listening tests ... but they can't. If they could, the companies holding the patents would be conducting these tests all the time ... but they don't. There is a simple way to prove that it works - but they refuse. Go figure. |
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Firepuck
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Posted: January 17 2007 at 15:05 | |
I don't know about power cords but I do know that incoming power problems can cause havoc with electronics. Power problems can consist of failures, sags, surges, spikes, line noise, frequency variations, switching transients and harmonic distortion.
This is what I use for both my stereo and computer systems:
Powerware 9125 True Online Double Conversion UPS (Uninteruptable Power Supply)
This UPS is essentially a glorified power bar. It takes AC power, converts it to DC, then converts it to AC (double conversion). The power coming out the back of the unit is pure. The connected load always receives clean, sine wave power.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: January 17 2007 at 15:09 | |
^ ok, but that's just what a good power supply does. Power supplies are not designed to only be able to handle perfect sine wave AC - they are built to handle real live AC.
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Flyingsod
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Posted: January 17 2007 at 22:53 | |
Firepuck, are ya saying you here a differnce in audio quality when you use an UPS compared to when you don't?
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oliverstoned
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Posted: January 18 2007 at 03:08 | |
Power filters (also used in studio, with products such as "La boite noire") proceed exactly from the same idea: provide the purest power to the devices. There are several technologies for power filtering: simple power isolation, (what i use, with 2 to 3 filtering stage for drive/converters (CD) which pollute a lot because of die-cutting power alimentations which re-inject a lot of electric pollution within the system through interconnects. It results in a huge gain on all parameters). Active filtering like the ones evoke up -however UPS products don't work on a musical level and eat the dynamic- which makes a clean wave AC, like said up. You can't imagine how transparent good hifi systems can be, cause you base on your experience with poor "systems". |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: January 18 2007 at 03:09 | |
On one hand, you have a vague buzzing, on another you have a clean and articulate bass line. Placebo effect? |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: January 18 2007 at 03:11 | |
Shunyata Research Hydra8 power conditioner
Michael Fremer wrote about the Shunyata Research Hydra 8 in January 2004 (Vol.27 No.1): Despite the Musical Fidelity Tri-Vista kW's choke-regulated power supplies, and perhaps because of the amount of current these amplifiers pull, their performance was enhanced to an enormous and quite surprising degree by plugging them into Shunyata Research's entirely passive Hydra 8 power-distribution device ($1995). During my first month of auditioning the kWs, they drew power from the original Hydra. When I was ready to check out the new Hydra 8, I unplugged the original Hydra and plugged the kWs directly into my dedicated line's Hubbell hospital-grade receptacles. The difference was not subtle. The kWs' basic sonic performance remained, but the picture lost cohesion, the highs had a touch of grain, and the bass seemed in a slightly different time zone—as if these revealing amps were putting my ears in touch with the quality of juice from Rockland Electric's grid. After letting the kWs warm up for another day and continuing to hear the same sound, I turned them off and plugged them into the new Hydra 8, which, as instructed, I'd broken in using a dehumidifier (though I was told an electric fan would work too). The Hydra 8 was connected to the wall with a Shunyata Research Andromeda vX heavy-duty AC cord. Damn if the system didn't return to its former coherent glory, only more so. There's no space here to go into the technology or theories behind the Hydra 8's operation, but you should give it a try. It's every bit as effective as its supporters say it is, and despite my initial skepticism, I've fallen in line. The Hydra 8 is an amazing product. Cables were important, but for this review, the Shunyata Research Hydra 8 was the real key to musical satisfaction.—Michael Fremer Edited by oliverstoned - January 18 2007 at 09:16 |
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Philéas
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Posted: January 18 2007 at 11:09 | |
Totally possible, actually. I'll even go as far as to say it's probable. If I would have invested 3000 € in a power cable, I'd really expect it to improve the sound, and as a result I would probably hear a difference. |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: January 18 2007 at 14:34 | |
No - shameless exaggeration beyond any reality. |
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oliverstoned
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Posted: January 19 2007 at 01:55 | |
Dirty little tadpole!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: January 19 2007 at 03:06 | |
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mystic fred
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Posted: January 19 2007 at 07:05 | |
yes you're so right, i did find a good improvement on my budget system (snappy treble, rich midrange and tighter bass, more focused imaging and fuller soundstage) after even making a few basic upgrades to the power source and the least expensive (£27-£70) mains cables, it clearly brings out the different characters within components also! the improved sound is different but very easy to get used to.
see this thread -
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