Trippy Crossroads: U.S. Psychedelia & Krautrock |
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GuruCan
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Lothar and the Hand People were a Denver psychedelic rock band whose
music spread into broad, eclectic sonic territories back in the 1960s.
They were all about that cosmic vibe, blending innovative instruments
like the theremin and Moog modular synthesiser into music that set them
apart in the scene. Their experimental approach resonated with the
counterculture movement of the time, not only in America but also with
artists from across the pond who felt their influence.
As it
stands, it is possible that the group's inventive approach, pioneering
electronic instruments for composition and performance, is what
contributed to the crazily emerging Krautrock sound during the late 60s
and early 70s. Krautrock bands like Kraftwerk and Guru Guru also
explored this sonic territory as they popularised a bit of Lothar's
previous blend of psychedelia and electronic music and cosmos-aligning
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moshkito
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Hi, Nice to find even more stuff ... although, again, a lot of what they did was more song/radio oriented, which is not exactly what the idea was for the future, which was extend the pieces of music into a "trip". Good job. however, I'm not exactly sure that these would even come close to influence the German scene at all ... mainly because in those days, the LP's that had all the "foreign" music were IMPORTS, and only available in a few specialty stores (in my case Moby Disk in Van Nuys and the Tower on the Strip, and The Warehouse in Westwood) ... and they were expansive ... already in those days each import was about $12/$15 dollars each. The chances of us learning about "krautrock" were slim, since Rolling Stone was not about music, and the USA lacked a good periodical that actually reported about music ... thus, even the things you are bringing along, are far out ... and just shows how much RS really missed the boat. Europe had a much wider and broader appreciation for the arts, and still does, despite the American/English commercialism thing, but the Internet, has opened it all up, and while it is still controlled by the corporate folks, it's control mechanisms are failing as so much more is found ... witness your postings. Excellent stuff! SIDE NOTE: On our trips to these record stores we usually made a stop at a newspaper/magazines small store in downtown LA and often got a Melody Maker, but sadly, it was only an issue every couple of months, if that and at that time (1972 start more or less), it had a lot of adverts by many bands, and the European bands were listed as well ... ex: I bought Terje Rypdal and AshRa Tempel off an advert for a concert of theirs in London. And for me, that was much more psychedelic and trippy than the American stuff. We read in MM about the scene in Germany at the time, although a couple of magazines in America discussed the European scenes a lot ... EUROCK is massive in this area, and so was GIBRALTAR ... for which I wrote a couple of things. The EUROCK book is important for many readers of this subject and topic ... and it is a complete show of all their issues for many years, with some amazing and far out things ... but, sadly, they will not get much credit, and I'm not sure that Archie Patterson wants to be "known" ... but he had a large hand in the bringing in of IMPORTS to America, though for me they were too expansive. He was also the vendor that had the specialty Klaus Schulze's series of Works (both of them) exclusively for many years, and also the same for AshRa Tempel, I think. It took over 10/15 years before all that stuff from KS was released properly, btw! END SIDE NOTE But, again, the differences are amazing ... the German thing was totally against the commercial thing, specially schlagger which is made fun of left and right, and nailed by Guru Guru in their 4th album, the one piece that us prog'reek'rs will not listen to get a better idea of what music did in Germany and how it helped bring about things, like the wall coming down several years LATER. But psychedelia did well in America on the radio, though it didn't last very long. But there were some excellent things ... I had too much to dream last night ... was tops. The Blues Magoos did very well also. Strawberry Alarm Clock also did well ... but again, all of them were pop songs that would last a few weeks and then die out for something else. Just a few off the top of my head ... fun stuff, but I think the idea got to Germany, but that was about it ... as what became "krautrock" was already being done on the stage and in film, with massive improvisations and work, which was the main element in the early 'krautrock" music ... and that was something that the American scene did not have because there was no audience for it ... except the Grateful Dead ... their bootlegs saved it all and a slew of long things were heard ... which radio (in America) worked hard to remove and delete a lot. And to this day, the band that "made" the biggest mark of all of them in America, is not accepted and understood, or appreciated ... for the many things they did to the whole thing ... and their fun stuff in Eugene for many years (drum circles all night long with their drummers!!!) as well ... something that none of the top this or that in progressive can ever touch and do!
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Often overlooked but American 1966... Grace Slick / Great Society. Not just White Rabbit, but all of her stuff back then.
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GuruCan
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The song by The Doors that could have helped shape the sound of early
Krautrock bands is The End. It was a very popular song among odd fellows
in Europe at the time and had the feeling that perfectly corresponded to
what krautrock is all about. The End fuses a haunting ambiance,
including instrumental elements occupying a large part of the track that
is over 11 minutes in total. The track's composition reflects the
frequent focus of krautrock musicians on mood and texture rather than
the conventional structure of a song.
While it doesn't fall into
the electronic category, the rhythmic backbone of Ray Manzarek's
keyboards and John Densmore's drumming in The End provides a hypnotic
groove, and the cadence they form has a rhythm that is krautrock's
repetitive beats off the set; also, it includes guitar riffs that are
drenched in reverb, making it even more interesting for krautrockers.
The lyrics of Morrison, which delve deep into themes of existentialism
and darkness, perfectly re-echo with the often somber nature
characteristic of krautrock music. |
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Psychedelic Paul
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When the Music's Over and Summer's Almost Gone, spare a thought for Jim Morrison: forever remembered as one of the Riders on the Storm in the world of Psychedelic Rock. When Jim left for France with his L.A Woman by his side in the Indian Summer of 1971, no one could possibly have guessed he would Break On Through to the Other Side at the End of the Night in his Morrison Hotel room in Paris, after returning from a Moonlight Drive. Only earlier that day, he'd been cruising down The Soft Parade of Paris storefronts with his Wild Child L.A. girlfriend, while Waiting for the Sun to go down on the Champs de Elysee. When fans and fellow band members of The Doors heard the shocking news that Jim Morrison had died, An American Prayer was said for him around the world in the Strange Days that followed. That wasn't The End for The Doors though, because events have now come Full Circle. The legacy of The Doors music lives on forever, and as you'll hear in the fabulous concert below, Other Voices have carried the timeless music of Jim Morrison & The Doors well into the 21st century. So what are we waiting for..... The time to hesitate is through, no time to wallow in the mire, so come on baby, Light My Fire!
The Doors of the 21st Century: L.A. Woman Live - 2004 (featuring original members of The Doors: Ray Manzarek & Robby Krieger with Ian Astbury as Jim Morrison!) |
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GuruCan
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Back in the late 1960s, there was a cool cultural exchange happening
between American experimental musicians, like the electronic music duo
comprising Paul Beaver and Bernie Krause, and European artists who were
on the hunt for fresh ways to express themselves after World War II.
This interaction played a decisive role in the crystallisation of what
contemporary music then would be for young experimenters in the Old
World, as it absorbed influences from American avant-garde styles while
carving out its own distinct sound.
Beaver and Krause's albums
from the late 60s, as well as their works for film scores—e.g.,
"Rosemary's Baby" from 1968, directed by Roman Polanski—created a strong
driving force in the development of electronic music in Europe,
especially in West Germany. Beaver and Krause actually became pioneers
of electronic kosmische Musik, leaving their heavy mark on the genre as
their "cosmic"—not without a dash of psychedelia—use of synthesizers
not only chimed with the counterculture movement; it directly paved the
way for influential Krautrock bands such as Cluster and Kraftwerk, to
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Psychedelic Paul
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1969: Amon Duul II - Phallus Dei - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kxVG9Cuv2G52OAKHNHJaYOmbIjDptwrOY 1970: Amon Duul II - Yeti - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n2V8P2jrq5IjzivfRftniWU-IKIfk7j_I 1971: Amon Duul II - Dance of the Lemmings - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mMScrnmiYzKOPmYYztK6rOTcr1N2znCUI 1972: Amon Duul II - Carnival in Babylon - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nZ8YJMqETEjyugLOm6CUdpdfP5xBVkU0E 1972: Amon Duul II - Wolf City - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l9Y5Hg95UHPT7U3-QrvSY0F9bAhiSd1G8 1973: Amon Duul II - Live in London - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lvdfDZoRIUir0FHZQF4oeeLChj8IL_PFc 1973: Amon Duul II - BBC Radio 1 Live in Concert - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz5ZfePX5P4 1974: Amon Duul II - Viva la Trance - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kgNcGUV7AZHUgQNiBnxlPoTDaS4SzUGI8 1974: Amon Duul II - Hijack - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lADbVSw611_pPCN2Xsc0qABcfZr75qt-o 1974: Amon Duul II - Lemmingmania - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kEKAHXfVtC6WVMlu3a_mcFlzkLzDvij0E 1975: Amon Duul II - Made in Germany - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nQLslNdrMQHNJ7IhRRRNWdlbpQFQi53-Q 1976: Amon Duul II - Pyragony X - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QI3VM_lLOc 1977: Amon Duul II - Almost Alive - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PRkLPHf8c0 1978: Amon Duul II - Only Human - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6B0W8wUZ564_VBGFBrs7I0Wz_Y6UDqJx 1981: Amon Duul II - Vortex - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhtDEufzQ3U 1995: Amon Duul II - Nada Moonshine # - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXGOPJR9mmg 1996: Amon Duul II - Eternal Flashback - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9hR4FTfGsQ 1996: Amon Duul II - Live in Tokyo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6UMTE_aVkI |
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Shops like "Plattenladen" in Munich were built to cater
to tastes from eclectic to trendy, thus further enriching the colourful
music scene of West Germany. Such record stores were instrumental in
determining the development of West German popular music culture.
Besides the records of pop-rock stars, they offered access to acts
of esoteric genres that were hardly widely known. This accessibility
helped foster a generation of musicians who would go on to influence
both national and international music scenes. Edited by GuruCan - Yesterday at 08:09 |
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moshkito
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Hi, WOW ... FAR OUT ... that is the first time I have heard something "direct" about these things, and in this case the record stores. Not too surprised, since The Tower on the Strip was famous for a lot of releases, and Moby Disk lasted for a lot longer than most record stores doing what they did best ... but it makes sense that some of these stores stood out and helped things ... though this is the first time I have heard about it "directly".
This is something that, did not happen in the LA area as far as I am aware of it ... but it is far out that these things were taking place. Santa Barbara did have a record store that housed Guy Guden and the Space Pirate stuff, for a few years, and the nice thing was you walked in and you were immediately listening to something else from Europe ... that part was cool. The live side of it, was kinda unknown, and I never really saw it, although I did get to see a few things early ... but at least some record stores were not exactly afraid of showing some imports though they were very few, but as soon as the American release was there at least one store in Santa Barbara played it ... (Billingsgate was an important label here) ... and Epitath, Lucifer's Friend, Frumpy, Scorpions (first album) and Neu ... were released here and to my knowledge Neu was the big seller, and later Scorpions, of course, but that was not an "import" any more as it had gotten fairly big a year or two later.
The strange part of all this is that the book "Future Days" which is fairly good about the whole "krautrock" scene, at least it explains the many different areas, does not mention (that I can remember) the record stores, or even the performance side of it, except that ... the bands existed! It would be weird, for me, to find that none of these ever performed, when the whole "krautrock" thing was about performance, a lot more than anything else. As I mentioned a long time ago ... a lot of this needs to be written down and compiled properly ... I am aware of theater and film, and often say silly things like there is no difference between Damo and Klaus Kinski, which some folks here do not like ... I always get the feeling they don't like me getting away/out of the theme "progressive" and get the audience fractured even more ... it feels like a religion based on bad translations already ... that are considered a sort of "law". I have to find/read (AGAIN) the early issues of EUROCK because it does tackle a lot of the performance side of krautrock in the early days, which I have to admit, I did not exactly pay attention as much as otherwise ... I'll add to this as soon as possible ... but your assist here is MASSIVE and I hope that we can catalog it ... sure we would like to see PA help in this area.
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Another U.S. band that blends psychedelia with an experimental
rock attitude, thus reminiscent of the early Krautrock movement, is
Quill from Boston. Quill's music combined odd sounds, often almost
atonal scales, with social commentary, weird poetry, and irony. They
were quite the buzz in New England, New York, and the mid-Atlantic
states in the late 1960s. In 1969, they took the stage at Woodstock, but
unfortunately, due to some technical hiccups, their stellar performance
wasn't fully captured and didn't make it into the festival's film.
Quill shared a similar innovative spirit with early Can, merging rock
with avant-garde influences and a sense of unrestrained artistic
freedom. They dropped one self-titled album in early 1970 and disbanded
late in the spring of the same year. |
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Absolutely! Beaver And Krause had a huge impact on musicians worldwide. No doubt. The Grace Cathedral recordings were influential to many artists and super innovative in the sense that acoustics with a second delay or even half a second became experiments in sound by combining instruments and producing a "floating " or "flowing" vibe through melodic ...exotic improvisation. The way this came across differed from other people attempting to capture a kind of ambience. |
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Hi, And they have been a part of my collection for at least 50 years, and were one of the first things I picked up, after the sound effects from various movies that used the electronics to create a mood and a soundtrack ... we have not quite considered that, and the idea, that it was some of those films that considered the music "foreign" and "outer space" (due to the images!!!) ... that became an idea for me. Beaver and Krause changed that idea into what is known as "here and now" ... as opposed to some idea that the music was foreign, and to me, that was an important thought, or concept. I have never, really considered one better/stronger than the others ... or that one inspired the other kind of thing ... they both came up at pretty much the same time, it was just like the idea/thought that someone wrote that the electronics in those days in America had two feelings ... the east coast and the west coast and that one was more free form and less composed than the other. It was a rather interesting thought in my mind since I tend to not look at the arts as one or the other, since it can easily be both and then become something else. I do think, believe, that Europe made room for the music in it ... the USA did not, and electronics remained in the background, until some keyboard players were then mixing things really well, and it changed a lot of mechanics going forward, but I did not think that one was influencing the other as much as we might consider, since the opening/design of it, was very different, and the "krautrock" one was more performance oriented than the American version that was considered a freak many times, and weird. I never felt of any of the American artists as such at all ... which helped my being able to get into them so early ... and appreciate it a lot, as I do.
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