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Antoni
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ThyroidGlands
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Thanks 🛐 Well, I have a long list: - Soft Machine - Third - Spock's Beard - V Same as with Soft Machine. Their highest-ranked album here is V, but I never liked it much. It's extremely pleasant, and I don't like that at all. - Laurent Thibaut (the only album he released, I don't remember the name). It's a highly ranked album but I find it super boring. At least it's short.
I feel exactly the same... I have quite controversial opinions about TFK. I think it's absolutely EVERYTHING that's wrong with prog. It's a band without originality. Why would I listen to a two and a half hour album? Truly, I find them unbearable. That they have a couple of good songs is different. Circus Brimstone is one of them. ((Note)) Don't get confused. What bothers me a lot is the band. I have absolutely nothing against Roine Stolt, I think he's a great guy and an excellent musician (I love his work as a guitarist in Transatlantic).
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Bloody bloody racket and rumpus
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I'm tired of hearing this argument. First, this band has a LOT of originality (by this, I mean their sound is unique and they bring fresh ideas to their music). Second, their compositions are top-notch, some of the best in the genre. Third, they are excellent musicians. The only downside is their latest albums (since 2019), which haven't lived up to their earlier work. Well, as you guessed, I'm a big TFK fan...
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Oh, also The Way by the Cuban band Anima Mundi. I think it's completely unnecessary... Yes, the entire album is absolutely unnecessary.
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ThyroidGlands
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Yes, they're really good musicians. I love Thomas Bodin, he's a sensational keyboardist.
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TFK's sound is actually very original imo. Listen to "Serious Dreamers". I have never heard this sorta blend between a swing wah wah jam and a dramatic 'angular ballad' elsewhere in prog rock ever. The verse portions are dark and moody while the chorus sections are much more optimistic with subtle bits of new jack swing influences. But that's just the beginning. After that initial section, they suddenly go into a dreamy fusionesque section embellished with anthemic harmonized vocal parts. 2:50 timestamp
Non-TFK-fans generally have this erroneous preconception about TFK that they're unoriginal just because it's some generally accepted knowledge, and they don't bother to delve deeper into the band's arrangement and songwriting techniques. |
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I don't dislike TFK overall, nothing they've written is "bad" to my ears (apart from some clunker lyrics occasionally). But when CDs that could hold around 80 min of music came about in the early-mid 90s, I feel like they took that new parameter and abused it. I will not dispute that they have some killer tracks and some killer moments in much longer tracks. But I often have to sift through a bunch of the rest of the album that's just... fine. Nothing bad about it. It's just perfectly acceptable, nothing more, nothing less. So as some above have said, very few parts of their albums really stick with me. Talented guys, no doubt.
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I do extensive research on artists as I listen to their discographies, so am very aware of their different phases. And I readily heard the difference. I just didn't connect with any of it.
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How is any of this 'on topic'
Anyway I got very bored with TFK until they came back with Banks Of Eden. Roine had suddenly discovered the 'edit button' bless him.
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Early TFK is alright (not amazing). I saw TFK play Prog Fest in support of Stardust We Are. They were the last band of the night on Saturday. About ninety minutes in, we were done.
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I bought The Flower Kings Stardust We Are in 2005 or 2004 based on recommendations, and found it very tedious. Considering that that was considered a great album with no songs that I found that good, thjat could be my choice for this topic. I could also add Spocks Beard's Snow and early Transatlantic as I also bought albums by those at that time based on recommendations that did not appeal to me at all. I was pretty careless with purchases then. This is not on-topic in that it is not what the OP intended, but The Shaggs' Philosophy of the World could be considered a great album with no good songs. It is considered to be a great album of the so-good it's bad variety (and it is said that Zappa called The Shaggs better than the Beatles) and they are all bad songs in terms of competence. But I love every song and love the album unironically. They were young and very new to playing, but had a big impact with this greatly bad and badly great album. There's a certain naive earnestness to it that makes it charming, and it does sound rather avant-garde in its primitivist incompetent way. The lyrics are a treasure. It's the album I consider greatest with the worst songs that comes to my mind.
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I saw Transatlantic headline a later event. Now that was tedious. What they played was so unremarkable, never mind the fact they followed Kenso, who had the audience in their grip for a relentless eighty minutes of mind-numbingly awesome prog-fusion. |
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King Crimson - Discipline
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Somebody should mention Tales From Topographic Oceans here and in this way show that they're not a real prog connaisseur. As nobody else seems to want to do that, it's up to me.
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Tales From Topographic Oceans.
It has movements, not songs. p.s. I'm a real prog connie sewer.
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^ Rossini once said of Richard Wagner, "He has his beautiful moments, but he also has his ugly quarter-hours." I feel the same regarding TFTO.
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Hi, I would think that folks that are not used to the free form styles of 50 years ago, TODAY, would not exactly enjoy a whole lot of the things that helped define, and make "progressive" so important at the time. One must also remember that the "controls" of synthesizers were very bad, and difficult ... if you ever read Edgar Froese's book on TD, you will find how they struggled to create an echo chamber ... until such a time when a synth could do it, which was still a few years to go. Also, how Christopher Franke at times had a really hard time getting to a certain point, to get his MANUAL abilities to make things come out like a sequencer, properly, and if the bootlegs are any truth, how they succeeded, even without the various modern things. But the different temperatures and locations always made his ability a serious challenge. It's a shame that he does not get any recognition for the work he did ... he deserves a lot of credit for it all. I like to suggest to "suspend" the ideas that we have about music, when looking at things that are 50 years old ... it is a different time and place, and therefore the music would be vastly different to what we hear today.
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