Happy 50th Tales From Topographic Oceans! - Progressive Rock Music Forum

Man, I LOVE the ending. The best way I've heard it described is its the musical interpretation of the 'Golden Hour' right after the sun sets. But not before its night

The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.

Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time...

^no no, it needs both LPs, like The Lamb

The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.

Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time...

Saperlipopette! wrote:

moshkito wrote:

It's sad that folks do not seem to consider it a "symphony" in 4 parts, which would better describe the whole work and perhaps give it a better standing, but it seems to me that the preference for rock music is to NOT do anything that is more "classical" in form, instead of being more song oriented.

I see it as a symphony in four parts. Sort of. There's just plenty of four movement symphonies I'd rather listen to. Not complaining. Many people love it, I'm not among them. it's not a problem. I'm perfectly happy that it exist for those who get more out of it than I do.

It's like a suites within a suite if that makes sense. A symphony of 4 movements, i see it that way, but i only ever listen to it all at once rarely

The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.

Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time...

^You mean that part during 'Ritual' where Steve Howe does a bit of a Yes guitar medley, he definitely quotes 'Close to the Edge'

The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.

Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time...

richardh wrote:

^ The problem here though is that a lot of rock and even prog fans didn't want this. The fact that Dark Side Of The Moon ruled showed that doing this sort of thing was already (in 1974) becoming more and more difficult to pull off. Personally I think ELP's Works Volume One album was even braver and bolder but no one cares about that!

Hi,

Part of the "progressive" movement, at the time, was that ... the fans ... did not control the music at that time, and many things were done that we appreciate a heck of a lot from it, and often go around saying that progressive music died, when the record companies came back en force with the Great Corporate Rape into the 80's when all those independent FM stations were bought out to have that independent and different music taken off the air ... which happened ... and today, it is STILL called "classic radio" ... and I'm tired of listening to some of that stuff for the 156th time ... c'mon ... when can you say enough is enough?

PF, to their credit, took their sound effects to their maximum conclusion, which was The Wall ... when all the "vignettes" (so to speak) became the story and carried the music, or if we like the music created the story. Both work.

In the early days, prior to the DSOTM thing, PF had sound effects running through between each piece, and I can not specify if there was a reason (setup some equipment parameters for example which were not as fast as today!), or just some fun ideas ... that eventually ate up the dragon!

The big problem has been the since 1990, with the advent of the Internet, the "fans" think they own the music and the artist, and they will kill artists for it. I will live and die for the artist, my friend, and you know that, just like I do all the other arts, and specially film.

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I got the album when I was first married and we lived in a cold, drafty house. I had to make do with a space heater while I wrote. I drank gin and tonics and TFTO was my constant companion on those cold days.

I never tired of it.

https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays

The rules of Little Napoleon, cardboard cows, Rick Wakeman and the chicken curry, unbalanced compositions, between brilliant and boring ... after all those years a wet dream for prog discussions!

Ah yes the elevator music version of CTTE... he added tetchily.

'We're going to need a bigger swear jar.'

Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

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Rick Wakeman said that the album was a bit too drawn out and too much bleeding. It is...but that's what I like about it.

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Hi,

For someone that knows classical music history and has heard a lot of it, to say that something is drawn out and bleeds too much, would without a doubt, suggest that RW has never heard classical music for the past 600 years or so. That comment is off base, in regards to "interpretation" of many things, and to suggest that the wind only has one kind of movement, is just bizarre and more than likely a comment that would suggest he was not someone that knew what composing was really about beyond throwing notes on the staff, or just adding notes to his other fingers!

It's not like his own solo things are not drawn out ... with different keyboards doing the same kind of thing and solo .... and the bleeding? I think even the emperor would have said "too many notes" ... which really was more of a comment about the music not expressing something that was more "visible" and easier to "understand" rather than just hundreds of notes in so many minutes. RW would make the worst soundtrack music writer, because he has no "emotional feeling" beyond his curry and his fingers over playing any material! Can he eat that curry that fast? Wink

Edited by moshkito - March 11 2024 at 14:44

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