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Originally posted by Cambus741 Cambus741 wrote:

I'd have thought Mostly Autumn and Porcupine Tree would be the most  popular of the last 20 years. Or has Mostly  Autumm's following waned since Heather  Findlay's departure?
Are Mostly Autumn that popular among prog fans? I have not heard a single minute from them!
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Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Ok so you are looking for current prog fan perspectives rather than how bands were perceived by prog fans back in the day? If that is the case I'd certainly agree that ELP's fandom has declined with hindsight while GG's has risen.

OK, it was a while ago but ELP's last ever gig in London drew 30,000 fans - I can't imagine GG getting anywhere near - maybe 2 - 3,000 max - Hammersmith maybe.

And how many of those 30,000 people at the ELP show also had albums by Yes, King Crimson, Camel, Gentle Giant, Nektar, Happy the Man, the Flower Kings, IQ, Magma, VDGG, Porcupine Tree, Djam Karet, Riverside, Spock's Beard, The Tangent, PFM, Eloy and on and on? Tongue


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And that 30,000 was the High Voltage festival with lots of people there to see many different bands.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Ok so you are looking for current prog fan perspectives rather than how bands were perceived by prog fans back in the day? If that is the case I'd certainly agree that ELP's fandom has declined with hindsight while GG's has risen.

OK, it was a while ago but ELP's last ever gig in London drew 30,000 fans - I can't imagine GG getting anywhere near - maybe 2 - 3,000 max - Hammersmith maybe.

And how many of those 30,000 people at the ELP show also had albums by Yes, King Crimson, Camel, Gentle Giant, Nektar, Happy the Man, the Flower Kings, IQ, Magma, VDGG, Porcupine Tree, Djam Karet, Riverside, Spock's Beard, The Tangent, PFM, Eloy and on and on? Tongue

Indeed, myself included but it is the 'draw' of the main act - in this case ELP.  Had Gentle Giant headlined in Victoria Park, I reckon 5,000 max would turn up (Dream Theatre in 2011 played to only half the number ELP had attracted the year before)
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

And that 30,000 was the High Voltage festival with lots of people there to see many different bands.

Were you there?  Even before you arrived on the festival site, it was clear ELP fans were out in force in the pubs and streets around the park.  I was part of a group for whom the prospect of seeing ELP made them decide to go.
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Dream Theater are a US band so maybe that's why they didn't have the draw of ELP at High Voltage. I think these days DT are more well known (well at least by the younger crowd). 
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Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

And that 30,000 was the High Voltage festival with lots of people there to see many different bands.

Were you there?  Even before you arrived on the festival site, it was clear ELP fans were out in force in the pubs and streets around the park.  I was part of a group for whom the prospect of seeing ELP made them decide to go.

How I wish I had been there Cry.

Too bad I live across the ocean and was 18 at the time. 
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

What I mean is these are the most popular prog rock bands among prog fans not pop fans. 

Classic era:

1. King Crimson: Yes !
2. Genesis (PG/ SH era only): No, No, No !
3. Yes: Why not ?
4. Camel: Yes.
5. Gentle Giant ( I had Pink Floyd here but there's too many non prog fans into them): No for GG, a big YES for PF.

Middle period:

1. Marillion: Yes.
2. IQ: Yes.
3. The Flower Kings: No, No, No !
4. Spock's Beard: No !
5. Pendragon: Yes !

Recent years (I only came up with three so far)

In no order:

1. Wobbler: No, No ,No !
2. Big Big Train: No, No, No !
3. Riverside: Yes, Yes, Yes !!!

I just can't stand Wobbler and Big Big Train. Too old-fashioned bands for me.

For the last two categories Porcupine Tree, Tool, Radiohead and the Mars Volta, etc are out because their following is too big outside of prog circles. I wanted the biggest bands among the real prog fans not music fans in general.
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Based on your criteria, I'm surprised to see Marillion included, as they WERE very popular at one stage....
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Hi,

Honestly, I hardly buy anything because of fan interest and/or someone's idea of this or that.

What "ruined" PF for me, was the number of folks at the concerts that were completely out of it, and screaming "rock'n'roll" which even RW once told the fudger to get out of the hall.

Fan favorites are not real ... the media itself has never been "real" ... specially when they own the very same publication that is posting said piece of misinformation. 

It's even more scary that someone will post stuff like this and continue the media thing ... when the music, specially at its inception was almost all "anti-establishment" (sometimes unspoken, though KC is defenitely spoken!) ... and against the current radio music and times. It's almost like Pirate Radio in England was not valuable to anything, and then FM radio was not valuable to anything or anyone in America ... and the lack of cohesiveness of ideas between each band and their (supposed) progressive description is ... totally without merit and impossible ... Camel is a great band in my book, but being listed in a most progressive of groups (specially something like VdGG) ... is not just a media thing ... it's a personal preference and vendetta.
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Originally posted by PhideauxFan PhideauxFan wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

What I mean is these are the most popular prog rock bands among prog fans not pop fans. 

Classic era:

1. King Crimson: Yes !
2. Genesis (PG/ SH era only): No, No, No !
3. Yes: Why not ?
4. Camel: Yes.
5. Gentle Giant ( I had Pink Floyd here but there's too many non prog fans into them): No for GG, a big YES for PF.

Middle period:

1. Marillion: Yes.
2. IQ: Yes.
3. The Flower Kings: No, No, No !
4. Spock's Beard: No !
5. Pendragon: Yes !

Recent years (I only came up with three so far)

In no order:

1. Wobbler: No, No ,No !
2. Big Big Train: No, No, No !
3. Riverside: Yes, Yes, Yes !!!

I just can't stand Wobbler and Big Big Train. Too old-fashioned bands for me.

For the last two categories Porcupine Tree, Tool, Radiohead and the Mars Volta, etc are out because their following is too big outside of prog circles. I wanted the biggest bands among the real prog fans not music fans in general.

FYI, it's not considered standard practice (ie not recommended) to post inside someone's post like that. Part of the reason for that, as I'm sure you can see, is that it becomes hard to tell who said what especially to someone who's reading it for the first time. It's like saying "what you say isn't important and so I'll just write over over it." That might not be your intention but that's the effect.

Anyway, we as unique individuals can ultimately only speak from our own unique perspectives. In my case, it's my opinion but I'm going by what seems to be the most popular prog fans among prog fans. If you disagree or don't like certain bands that's fine. I'm sure there are bands you like that I don't care much for. Wink


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What is "real prog fans"?


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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

What is "real prog fans"?

What do you think that means?
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

What is "real prog fans"?

What do you think that means?


Don't know. Anyone who likes prog is a prog fan in my world.

I hope it doesn't mean someone who only listens to prog.
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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

What is "real prog fans"?

What do you think that means?


Don't know. Anyone who likes prog is a prog fan in my world.

I hope it doesn't mean someone who only listens to prog.

So you don't differentiate between casual fans and those who are regular posters on this site?
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Not on principle.
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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

Not on principle.

Well, if that's the case then Tool, Radiohead, Pink Floyd, Genesis and Rush are the bands with the most prog fans. That could actually be true too if you count those who only like or know about a few prog bands as being prog fans. I personally don't though. 


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So because a band is popular means that it can't be also popular by prog fans?

King Crimson has been quite popular as well as Genesis so i think the premise of this is flawed.

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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

I can understand Jethro Tull not being in there as their broad appeal was more blues rock / folk than proggy prog. I'd have to say ELP with their over the top pyrotechnic symphonic bombast are a must add to that list ahead of GG.

Surely Anglagard must be in that later period, possibly Discipline & echolyn? How about Magma in the middle period? They'd be the most edgy band on the list by a mile.

It's an awfully vanilla set of bands after the classic period, I guess your criteria of excluding bands with broad appeal while the niche bands are also not popular enough leaves you with neo & crossover.

Magma were around in the 70's though (first album was in 70) so I'm not sure I would put them in the middle category.

I'd definitely include Magma in the third "Modern" category as they have been the hot ticket among prog lovers since K.A. and the Trianon and Mythes et légendes releases. The quality of their music and musicianship in the last 20 years had been unsurpassed!
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Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

And that 30,000 was the High Voltage festival with lots of people there to see many different bands.

Were you there?  Even before you arrived on the festival site, it was clear ELP fans were out in force in the pubs and streets around the park.  I was part of a group for whom the prospect of seeing ELP made them decide to go.

I was there as well but certainly UFO , Asia, Steve Hackett and Opeth were also big reasons for people turning up. Was a nice day though and fantastic weather. Those were the days eh? Smile

edit - Asia were of course on Saturday . Argent were also on Sunday though Wink


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