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Rednight 
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 Posted: March 28 2017 at 13:26 |
1. Firth of Fifth 2. Dancing with the Moonlit Knight 3. The Battle of Epping Forest 4. Cinema Show/ Aisle of Plenty 5. After the Ordeal 6. I Know What I Like (In your wardrobe) 7. More Fool Me 
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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kenethlevine
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Posted: March 28 2017 at 15:07 |
I haven't listed to this album in so long. It's probably my favourite from Genesis. I don't think anyone has put out precisely this order
the ones I like 1. Dancing with the the Moonlit Knight 2. Cinema Show 3. First of Fifth 4. After the Ordeal 5. I know what I like
the ones I don't like 6. More Fool Me 7. The Battle of Epping Forest
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rock96
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Posted: May 21 2017 at 22:13 |
1. Firth of Fifth (mostly for the solo gives it the edge over #2) 2. Dancing With the Moonlit Knight 3. The Cinema Show/Aisle of plenty 4. After the Ordeal 5. The Battle of Epping Forest 6. I Know What I Like 7. More Fool Me (But i still like it)
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: May 21 2017 at 23:20 |
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1) Firth Of Fifth
2) Cinema Show/Aisle of Plenty
3) Dancing With The Moonlit Knight
4) Battle of Epping Forest
5) After the Ordeal
6) I Know What I Like (In your Wardrobe)
7) More Fool Me.........
........and I like More Fool Me a lot !!
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Mirror Image
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Posted: May 21 2017 at 23:22 |
 Magnum Vaeltaja wrote:
1, 2, and 3 switch around every now and again, but 9 times out of 10 I think I'd put them in this order:
1. The Cinema Show/Aisle of Plenty (I too consider them to be one track)2. Dancing With The Moonlit Knight 3. Firth of Fifth 4. After The Ordeal 5. More Fool Me 6. I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) 7. The Battle of Epping Forest (Possibly the worst Genesis song, period)
1-5 are all good or great songs, the last two not so much. |
This post pretty much mirrors my own choices and I fully concur that The Battle of Epping Forest is one of the worst Gabriel-era pieces. Not only does Gabriel not shut up, but there’s no kind of interesting instrumental sections, which is strange given the strength of the rest of the album.
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cstack3
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Posted: May 22 2017 at 21:20 |
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Firth of Fifth.
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HackettFan
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Posted: May 22 2017 at 22:23 |
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1. After the Ordeal
2. Dancing With the Moonlight Knight
3. Cinema Show
4. Battle of Epping Forest
5. Firth of Fifth
6. More Fool Me
7. I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)
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A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now)
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M27Barney
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Posted: May 24 2017 at 05:24 |
1. Firth of Fifth 2. The Cinema Show / Aisle of Plenty3. Dancing with the Moonlit Knight 4. The Battle of Epping Forest 5. I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) 6. After the Ordeal 7. More Fool Me (the really poor track on this album, absolute garbage) The Battle of Epping Forest is possibly one of progs most underrated tracks, absolutely brilliant lyrics with some of the best word-plays ever heard on vinyl - and I think that the music is excellent and quirky (probably why its underrated) - this track should have been extended out to suppers ready length - what a treat that would have been!
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BaldFriede
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Posted: May 24 2017 at 06:07 |
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I will not rank them, but I will tell my nickname for "More Fool Me": "Awful Me".
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Mirror Image
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Posted: May 24 2017 at 07:45 |
M27Barney wrote:
The Battle of Epping Forest is possibly one of progs most underrated tracks, absolutely brilliant lyrics with some of the best word-plays ever heard on vinyl - and I think that the music is excellent and quirky (probably why its underrated) - this track should have been extended out to suppers ready length - what a treat that would have been!
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I don’t think The Battle of Epping Forest is underrated at all. If anything, it’s overrated, because, IMHO, it has nothing going for it. Gabriel never shuts up. The musical material doesn’t sustain it’s length at all. This could have been a 4-5 minute piece, but they stretched it out so much that it becomes tedious to listen to.
Edited by Mirror Image - May 24 2017 at 07:46
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“Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov
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Rednight
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Posted: May 24 2017 at 08:57 |
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I won't say that More Fool Me is "awful." It does sound like it could have been a bonus track on Flaming Youth's Ark 2.
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Catcher10
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Posted: May 24 2017 at 09:44 |
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1) More Fool Me
2) Cinema Show~Aisle of Plenty
3) Firth Of Fifth
4) Dancing With The Moonlit Knight
5) Battle of Epping Forest
6) I Know What I Like (In your Wardrobe)
7) After the Ordeal
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M27Barney
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Posted: May 26 2017 at 05:24 |
"More Fool Me" was- phil again lamenting on his abject failure with the ladies, since his wives seemed like they preferred painters & decorators , he clearly wasn't as good at shagging as he was drumming!!! Or maybe he used to sing at them perhaps?
Catcher 10 - You CANNOT seriously rate MFM as the best track - that has got to be a piss-take, right?
Edited by M27Barney - May 26 2017 at 05:27
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Rednight
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Posted: May 26 2017 at 09:37 |
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^More Fool Me came out two years before he married his first wife, the only one of three to whom an affair with a painter/decorator was credited. And how can someone who drums like that have bad rhythm in the sack?
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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HackettFan
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Posted: May 26 2017 at 19:21 |
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I was bothered more by Catcher 10 rating After the Ordeal last. That's the best track for my money.
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A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now)
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Man With Hat
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Posted: May 26 2017 at 20:15 |
1. The Cinema Show 2. Dancing With The Moonlit Knight 3. Firth Of Firth 4. I Know What I Like... 5. Aisle Of Plenty 6. After The Ordeal 7. More Fool Me 8. The Battle Of Epping Forest
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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M27Barney
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Posted: June 02 2017 at 10:47 |
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"They called me the Reverend when I entered the church unstained....My employers have changed but the name has remained...." I think that non-brits just don't get the England gangland vibe and the way that Gabriel's poetry paints a picture that takes me right back to 1973....if you weren't there then that would be hard!
Edited by M27Barney - June 02 2017 at 10:48
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Rednight
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Posted: June 02 2017 at 12:39 |
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^"We guard your souls for peanuts,
And we guard your shops and houses
For just a little more."
along with
"In with a left hook is the Bethnal Green Butcher,
But he's countered on the right by Mick's chain-gang fight,"
pretty much spelled it out that 'Epping Forest concerned itself with gang territorialism, clashes, and some reference to the Teddy Boy Wars. No opaque view here by this Yank.
Edited by Rednight - June 02 2017 at 12:40
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KingCrimson250
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Posted: June 02 2017 at 13:15 |
I love Epping Forest, but I understand why it's so controversial. I think the main issue is that it's an 11 minute epic that's almost 100% vocal driven, in a genre where fans often seem to rarely care for vocals, and indeed sometimes see them only as a (un)necessary evil between the parts of the song that are actually good.
I also think that it's a bit stagnant. Get Em Out By Friday was vocal-driven, but seems to have a lot more variation and things going on, despite being significantly shorter. It's got different themes and melodies for each character, and general shifts in tone. Epping, by contrast, has only a handful of melodies that get repeated over and over. Really the bit with the Reverend is the only diversity the song has outside of the intro.
I still love the song because I think it's a great tour de force from Gabriel, with all sorts of wordplay and skillfully bringing a whole bunch of characters to life. But I think it suffers from being maybe a good three or four minutes too long, and starts to wear out its welcome towards the end. I'd give it a 4/5, but I can also see why people would give it a 1/5.
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**xyzzy**
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Posted: June 07 2017 at 17:46 |
1. Dancing With the Moonlit Knight 2. Cinema Show/Aisle of Plenty 3. Firth of Fifth 4. I Know What I Like 5. Battle of Epping Forest 6. After the Ordeal 7. More Fool Me
Edited by **xyzzy** - June 07 2017 at 17:46
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