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rushfan4 
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 Posted: September 26 2015 at 14:14 |
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Hybris. Gave Spirit of Eden its first listen today. It was OK, but I have no idea how it is even being discussed on a prog site. How in the world has it made it this far in the tournament?????
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Imperial Zeppelin
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Posted: September 26 2015 at 14:43 |
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Talk Talk are not prog. They are too good to be prog.
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Raff
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Posted: September 26 2015 at 14:48 |
 rushfan4 wrote:
Hybris. Gave Spirit of Eden its first listen today. It was OK, but I have no idea how it is even being discussed on a prog site. How in the world has it made it this far in the tournament?????
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Well, there are lots of people who don't think Rush are prog either  ...
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Mascodagama
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Posted: September 26 2015 at 14:51 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Hybris. Gave Spirit of Eden its first listen today. It was OK, but I have no idea how it is even being discussed on a prog site. How in the world has it made it this far in the tournament?????
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By being one of the greatest albums ever recorded...? That said, it's not an album to grok on one listen. My first spin, shortly after it came out, didn't make much impression on me either. I shelved it, but came back to it periodically, and eventually it clicked. I'm enduringly pleased that I made the effort with it.
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Atkingani
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Posted: September 26 2015 at 14:57 |
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Hybris!
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rushfan4
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Posted: September 26 2015 at 15:12 |
Raff wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
Hybris. Gave Spirit of Eden its first listen today. It was OK, but I have no idea how it is even being discussed on a prog site. How in the world has it made it this far in the tournament?????
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Well, there are lots of people who don't think Rush are prog either ...
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It wouldn't be polite for me to share my opinion of those people. I didn't dislike the Talk Talk album, I just didn't find myself overly impressed with it either. I will be the first to admit that one listen doesn't make me an expert so maybe it will impress more with future listens, but I couldn't help but think that the people who are praising this album are the same people who hate Porcupine Tree and Hogarth era Marillion.
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Mascodagama
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Posted: September 26 2015 at 16:08 |
rushfan4 wrote:
...but I couldn't help but think that the people who are praising this album are the same people who hate Porcupine Tree and Hogarth era Marillion.
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Out of interest, what difference would it make if they were?
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: September 26 2015 at 16:09 |
^^I absolutely adore PT and SWilson and I voted for double talk 
I still don't get the huge praise that Hybris gets - although it did help bring prog back on the map when it first came out. If I want a modern version of King Crimson, I'd much rather put on some Nebelnest or Guapo's 5 Suns.
Edited by Guldbamsen - September 26 2015 at 16:10
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: September 26 2015 at 16:15 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Hybris. Gave Spirit of Eden its first listen today. It was OK, but I have no idea how it is even being discussed on a prog site. How in the world has it made it this far in the tournament?????
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Depends on how you define "prog", but we are not having this conversation, are we?
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... but I couldn't help but think that the people who are praising this album are the same people who hate Porcupine Tree and Hogarth era Marillion. |
Trust me: I don't know a lot about Marillion, nor do I hate PT.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - September 26 2015 at 16:17
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Raff
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Posted: September 26 2015 at 16:26 |
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Just for the record: I don't hate either PT or SW - I just don't think they are the best thing since sliced bread as far as modern progressive rock is concerned. As to Hogarth-era Marillion, I know too little about them to judge, let alone bash them. What I have heard did not turn me off, but neither did it rock my world.
Anyway, I haven't been interested in "what is/is not prog?" debates for years, and am much more concerned about what I like and what I don't.
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Mascodagama
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Posted: September 26 2015 at 16:29 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
^^I absolutely adore PT and SWilson and I voted for double talk
I still don't get the huge praise that Hybris gets - although it did help bring prog back on the map when it first came out. If I want a modern version of King Crimson, I'd much rather put on some Nebelnest or Guapo's 5 Suns.
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I think Hybris is the weakest Anglagard record. They hadn't really absorbed their influences. 5 Suns is an interesting case. Based on the Hackney Empire KC gig a couple of weeks ago, Guapo were if anything pre-emptively ripping off the 2015 version 
Edited by Mascodagama - September 26 2015 at 16:30
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Atavachron
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Posted: September 26 2015 at 16:30 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
If I want a modern version of King Crimson, I'd much rather put on some Nebelnest or Guapo's 5 Suns. |
Hey the Nebs, no one talks about them anymore. Love NoVa eXPReSS .
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: September 26 2015 at 16:44 |
Mascodagama wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
^^I absolutely adore PT and SWilson and I voted for double talk
I still don't get the huge praise that Hybris gets - although it did help bring prog back on the map when it first came out. If I want a modern version of King Crimson, I'd much rather put on some Nebelnest or Guapo's 5 Suns.
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I think Hybris is the weakest Anglagard record. They hadn't really absorbed their influences.
5 Suns is an interesting case. Based on the Hackney Empire KC gig a couple of weeks ago, Guapo were if anything pre-emptively ripping off the 2015 version |
I have only streamed a couple of the subsequent albums, but they didn't grab me either. Killer musicians though...but then again so are The Flower Kings.
As for your last remark: AAAAAARRGGHHH!!! Me so jealous.
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bloodnarfer
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Posted: September 26 2015 at 16:45 |
wow! I can't believe semi finals came down to Choirs of the Eye v De-loused v Within the Realm of a Dying Sun v Part the Second *rubs eyes* oh nevermind.
But I never expected talk talk to make it this far so that's pretty neat.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: September 26 2015 at 16:45 |
Atavachron wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
If I want a modern version of King Crimson, I'd much rather put on some Nebelnest or Guapo's 5 Suns. |
Hey the Nebs, no one talks about them anymore. Love NoVa eXPReSS .
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Me too. That was, incidentally, also the album I was thinking of. Great band with a very impressive rhythm section.
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: September 26 2015 at 17:49 |
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Hybris
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"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
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AEProgman
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Posted: September 26 2015 at 18:01 |
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Very tough choice here as the Talkers album has become a new favorite of sorts. Guess I will stir the pot with Spirit of Eden.
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micky
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Posted: September 26 2015 at 18:45 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Depends on how you define "prog", but we are not having this conversation, are we?
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a fun discussion for sure.. but ultimatelyu pointless as there is no answer.. only what the individual perceives it to be. that said.. that is why I found this particular final to be so much more interesting than the one legged ass kicking contest of a classic final.  This one has sauce.. so what does one really prefer.. old school 'prog rock'.. or new school 'progressive rock'. That is why Vegas couldn't figure out how this contest would go.. naturally there will be more old school fans here than those inclined to more expirmental or ground breaking music. Oh the irony.. but that is balanced out by Spirit of Eden being an album that will still be highly regarded in 50 years.. while the Hybris album lost to time. it simply isn't a special album. Just a popular one to today's prog fan. Spirit of Eden was a watershed musical movement that launched a entirely distinct and still very relevant today musical movement..which has been embraced by the prog rock camp.. even if sounds nothing like old school prog.
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Atavachron
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Posted: September 26 2015 at 18:49 |
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Mike you should write a book (or at least a column).
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micky
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Posted: September 26 2015 at 18:50 |
not enough sex or violence in prog to make it worth my while 
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