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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Windhawk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2015 at 16:30
Personally I'm in favor of this. It makes interacting with the presumed reading audience easier, basically, and for me that is a positive addition. If it will be used, apart from on the most popular albums, is another case entirely I guess. But it is a proven success story outside of music sites, that leads to if not more traffic then at least invites to more involvement. That's all good in my book.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Smurph Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2015 at 17:13
Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

Personally I'm in favor of this. It makes interacting with the presumed reading audience easier, basically, and for me that is a positive addition. If it will be used, apart from on the most popular albums, is another case entirely I guess. But it is a proven success story outside of music sites, that leads to if not more traffic then at least invites to more involvement. That's all good in my book.

Yea some people don't like to get involved in forums. 

Personally I like the idea. If some sort of flame war starts the reviewer should always be capable of turning off the comments though.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ExittheLemming Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2015 at 17:21
No harm in seeing how it pans out. It might even generate better written reviews.  Far too many knee jerk reactionaries round here pandering to the anticipated actions of fanboy idiots or trying to second guess trolls.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote M@X Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2015 at 17:53
I will monitor / moderate alone at first and if we like it and it's popular I can add moderator to help.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finnforest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2015 at 17:57
As a proud knee jerk reactionary, I really have no problem with it Max if you are willing to give us the on/off switch for Reviewers.  That would allow everyone to tailor their experience and allow Reviewers to have some choice in the matter. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Aussie-Byrd-Brother Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2015 at 20:28
At the very least, we should have the option to turn it on and off.

But I'm definitely with Jim and the others who don't like the idea, if only for avoiding the `You gave me 3 stars, you obviously hated it, please don't say bad things about my album' arguments (which I've had a few private messages about), and the other issue, just plain good old fashioned sarcastic internet snark!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2015 at 21:23
I thought the 'I really like your review' thread is sufficient enough for those that invest their heart and soul into their writings. Then again, who am I to say, I'm just a paranoid android.......
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Man With Hat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2015 at 21:57
Yeah...this seems like quite an unnecessary "upgrade".
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rogerthat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2015 at 22:16
The idea per se is not bad and it might help increase the involvement of passive users who don't visit or post on the forum. Only that there should be a facility to block abusive comments. I have had good discussions on tennis in the atp or grand slam website's social section. So I disagree with the notion that fb automatically equals asinine. It will mean clutter but if it achieves the end of expanding review appreciation beyond a mutual admiration society, it's worth it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NotAProghead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2015 at 23:02
Once I suggested to have a "Thanks" button near each review and the "thanks counter" to indicate that at least some people read it.

Or make something like on Amazon:
 Was this review helpful to you?  YesNo

but without comments.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2015 at 00:16
^ Amazon has probably copyrighted that idea......
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Somebody suggested a thumbs up or thumbs down in another thread.  The problem is they can be used to validate or invalidate a viewpoint without the person using the function having to justify their own stance.  I'd actually prefer the comments section.  It can be more interactive and meaningful if used properly by both reviewer and reader.  I don't give a damn about trolls or intolerant fanboys and I'd welcome legitimate criticism even if it basically takes my review(s) apart.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote micky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2015 at 07:37
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Somebody suggested a thumbs up or thumbs down in another thread.  The problem is they can be used to validate or invalidate a viewpoint without the person using the function having to justify their own stance.  I'd actually prefer the comments section.  It can be more interactive and meaningful if used properly by both reviewer and reader.  I don't give a damn about trolls or intolerant fanboys and I'd welcome legitimate criticism even if it basically takes my review(s) apart.  


aye Roger...  there are some that wouldn't mind, even some nuts like me that would probably enjoy it. LOL  Big picture though, not everyone enjoys it nor wants it.

I have no idea what M@X's intent is. If there is one or just f**king with things for the sake of it. Does it add anything to the site IMO? I don't see a thing so I'd say No.  In the odd place that is the mind of Mick..  what should be the issue is what to do to encourage reviewers. Not discourage them.  For zero benefit.. if you risk even losing a few reviewers for the safety and ease of simply taking the reviews offsite to blogs and other sites (an already troubling trend for the site beforehand).. then the proposal is a bad idea IMO.

Now instead of pumping up the social media volume.. why not consider other ideas...  even something as simple as review of the week contests.  First off it gets views.. gets eyes .. on those reviews, it might stimulate more reviews.. and be something a bit of fun. The winner?  Give them some PA's swag... hell even make them an admit for a day LOL  Pump some interest into it if doing that is the underlying motive for this.

Of course .. we know the proposal is here to stay.  He who has the gold makes the rules. If it really were up for debate, it would have been been forth beforehand. So in that case I'd definitely 2nd Jim's notion that reviewers be able to turn off reviewer comments.
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^ I think it was a shame that the review of the month competition ceased.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote micky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2015 at 08:46
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

^ I think it was a shame that the review of the month competition ceased.


I don't remember that... wonder if that was something after I left or was going on when I was still here but was so wrapped up in genre-team stuff I didn't notice it LOL

Well regardless... they should bring it back. That is a good way to drum up interest in reviews. Appoint a blue ribbon panel of voters... and make a forum spectacle of it.  That is how you can invigorate things and stimulate some action man. Not frickin social media that many of us ignore, actually seeking refuge from here in the hallowed halls of PA's. LOL
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Personally, I think one of the main problems is there are too many albums without any reviews whatsoever - even very good ones. Nowadays, with the availability of streaming, it is much easier for people who are so inclined to review albums without having to shell out for them, and without resorting to illegal means. Maybe having a weekly competition for Best Review of a previously unreviewed album might be a good idea. It would encourage people to branch out and explore, and give bands or solo artists a lot of much-needed exposure.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote micky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2015 at 08:59
so what do you say M@X.  Give me something to work with and some official backing for bringing back reviewer of the week/month, and something or ideas we could use for winners, and I'll run with this. 
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Somebody suggested a thumbs up or thumbs down in another thread.  The problem is they can be used to validate or invalidate a viewpoint without the person using the function having to justify their own stance.  I'd actually prefer the comments section.  It can be more interactive and meaningful if used properly by both reviewer and reader.  I don't give a damn about trolls or intolerant fanboys and I'd welcome legitimate criticism even if it basically takes my review(s) apart.  

That was me, and it wasn't a suggestion, it was a possible option of providing feedback on reviews - based on the principle of 'was this review useful to you yes or no'. That is available on ProgPlanet, where it is used in a very limited way.
In fact, I prefer what is being proposed now, for the simple reason that some reviews and reviewers will benefit from it. First of, those who want to learn about how their reviews are received (that would be me), without having to dig through a forum thread of umpteen pages, will get their feedback if people see a need to provide it. Feedback through the 'report review' and 'I like your review' threads is way to indirect, and if you look closely, you'll see that only a small part of our community uses these threads - which makes it feel as if they are only there to hug each other (no offence, just stating facts).
Second, reviews that contain errors, mistakes or though provoking remarks get feedback on that as well - directly, without having to go through (again) endless forum threads, or through already overloaded moderators.
Based on MMA/JMA, I tend to think that feedback through the site itself would be more useful than through Facebook though - the option 'also post on Facebook' can go as far as I'm concerned.

And as for turning the feature on/off on per reviewer/user is fine by me, although I think that anyone who is willing to share an opinion (which is what a review in essence still is) should be open to feedback on that opinion as well. 

Good thinking, M@X, I hope this will stay, with slight modifications only. 

And now I tip my hat, and go to bed. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Man With Hat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2015 at 23:09
^ It's very easy to give feedback as the system stands (or stood).
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Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

First of, those who want to learn about how their reviews are received (that would be me), without having to dig through a forum thread of umpteen pages, will get their feedback if people see a need to provide it. Feedback through the 'report review' and 'I like your review' threads is way to indirect, and if you look closely, you'll see that only a small part of our community uses these threads - which makes it feel as if they are only there to hug each other (no offence, just stating facts).


The thing is we still don't know how how would you get notified about these social comments, at least I didn't see any info about notifications, so at the moment going through recent posts on 2-3 threads in the forum is easier than checking out links to dozens of your own reviews which you would have to keep an eye on if someone commented on them. I don't know how would notifications work with the current system, getting a pm, mail or something from facebook seems like a bit of a long roundabout way of doing it, checking one or two webpages before you actually get to look at it on PA.

If PA had the same system like JMA/MMA along with internal login, then it would make more sense since those sites also have a feedback on the side called 'Site Interactions' which show who commented on a review recently or made something like that 'Shout' for example (which would be ok for people who don't visit the forums cause they could also post on the album page errors instead of looking for our 'Errors And Omissions' thread, everything can be reported at the place where you found the error/comment). I mean if the point is to make it more comfortable for the audience that doesn't go to the forums then JMA/MMA layouts are fine and people can mingle on the site with other people using review pages and even those fancier member pages without going to the forums but as it is on PA, I don't know how beneficial it is.
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