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Xonty
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 10:46 |
Procol Harum definitely ought to be in there, as should Mike Oldfield. Harmonium, Pavlov's Dog and The Moodies are some personal favourites, but the first 2 could be switched with Colosseum and Univers Zero or something..
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micky
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 10:48 |
very tough! Thus fun in my warped mind. What constitutes a prog band? That road might have have given you sore elbows, it left me gut shot and left for dead in the middle of the street. Thus I left off bands that could be there that are on this site that are hugely unique, massively popular, very progressive etc but are not considered by the vast majority to be...ahem.. prog. Bands like ELO, Deep Purple, and hahaha. Steely Dan. Two of those three bands I have to frickin google, and I am no dummy nor a 70's purist who only listens to the moldie oldies. Even Tool which even this idiot knows and has heard is still not generally considered to be a 'prog' band. However I do think the modern bands included on the list, are to a high degree of consensus considered by fans of prog.. to be prog. Then again, I have my own notions (which I've posted several times.. casting the bait into the water hoping for a discussion related bite) of the very VERY definitions of prog rock and progressive rock. The site includes both, many are fans of both, but IMO they are not the same.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 11:01 |
Exactly, that is the rub.....and yes there are quite the number of bands featured on PA that I don't necessarily think of as prog but still understand why they're here - ie most of the artists featured in Krautrock, Electronic, Folk, Indo/raga, post rock, avant and fusion
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timothy leary
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 11:09 |
I believe SBB and Echolyn are deserving of being on the list.
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 11:12 |
Uhhhh SBB.
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timothy leary
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 11:14 |
and a long productive career
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micky
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 11:15 |
exactly. I tend to see a nice 3 layer organization to what is included here on the site.
Progressive music which generally includes the avant and electronic stuff within that bubble.. you have progressive rock which includes a great deal of the folksie stuff never really associated with prog rock, along with the J-R, post-rock etc etc and finally within that you have prog rock which is, or has become synonymous with the old 70's warhorses and their clone offshoots up to the present day like the frickin Flower Kings. Not a progressive bone in that group, but prog rock because they filled dots as needed per the stylistic norms NOW associated with prog rock.
as the 70's warhorses were once the flagbearers and public face of the progressive movement I do think it natural as well as applicable, if one wants to have poll/contest where the vast majority of the forum can take an interest and know the bands, to mainly include really just a subset of the groups listed upon the site. The generally established prog rock groups along with the greatest of bands from those of the two larger sets, progressive rock and progressive music.
I'm sure one can dig up some extremely influential, progressive, and massively popularly prog death doom black viking shread technical metal band, that judged simply ON those criteria should merit inclusion on a top list. However to me David they simply wouldn't fit.
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timothy leary
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 11:16 |
Echolyn's career spanning the same time period as Anglagard and being more productive.
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 11:18 |
By the end of the day, this will be a top 100 list
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 11:19 |
timothy leary wrote:
Echolyn's career spanning the same time period as Anglagard and being more productive. |
as I said anything and everything is open to discussion but Anglagard got the nod not simply for being who they were, but their still lasting impact today on a countries prog scene today through the music and the groups members. Much greater IMO than Echolyn ever had. However if I'm wrong, explain to me why I might be!
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 11:22 |
micky wrote:
exactly. I tend to see a nice 3 layer organization to what is included here on the site.
Progressive music which generally includes the avant and electronic stuff within that bubble.. you have progressive rock which includes a great deal of the folksie stuff never really associated with prog rock, along with the J-R, post-rock etc etc and finally within that you have prog rock which is, or has become synonymous with the old 70's warhorses and their clone offshoots up to the present day like the frickin Flower Kings. Not a progressive bone in that group, but prog rock because they filled dots as needed per the stylistic norms NOW associated with prog rock.
as the 70's warhorses were once the flagbearers and public face of the progressive movement I do think it natural as well as applicable, if one wants to have poll/contest where the vast majority of the forum can take an interest and know the bands, to mainly include really just a subset of the groups listed upon the site. The generally established prog rock groups along with the greatest of bands from those of the two larger sets, progressive rock and progressive music.
I'm sure one can dig up some extremely influential, progressive, and massively popularly prog death doom black viking shread technical metal band, that judged simply ON those criteria should merit inclusion on a top list. However to me David they simply wouldn't fit.
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(especially regarding the Flower Kings - even if I have a lot of friends who swear by them)
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 11:22 |
Meltdowner wrote:
By the end of the day, this will be a top 100 list
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 11:26 |
Could we have a preliminary round where only the top 2 or 3 go through to the Cup Proper? ie put all suggestions in a hat
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timothy leary
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 11:30 |
Yeah, Anglagard are a lot easier to imitate then Echolyn are, just my opinion.Here is a quote from a review...... Chronicling the various conflicts of America, both domestic and foreign, Cowboy Poems Free is glorious and sometimes downtrodden take on both the big picture and the more common elements of life. Each vignette is treated with respect (although there is a touch sarcasm from time to time), and upon digging into the words, I came away with a sense of awe: Many of these tracks are magnificent tributes to the men and women who have railed against hardship, be it economic or martial. The often grim lyrics are usually juxtaposed with music that evokes an opposite feeling, which unbelievably contributes to the powerful nature of this work.
So I believe Echolyn is more representative of prog rock with thoughtful mature lyrics combined with awsome musicianship. Where are Anglagard's lyrics? With Echolyn I know immediately they are from America.
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 11:32 |
akamaisondufromage wrote:
Could we have a preliminary round where only the top 2 or 3 go through to the Cup Proper? ie put all suggestions in a hat
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I really intended just to sit back and read, but who am I kidding, I let myself get sucked into the discussion. However I am going to back back out and just judge the replies/suggestion on their merit. However I will say, I am leaning towards that. There are some bands that should be there and really only one, as much as I want it to be there for personal REVENGE reasons, that is the classic textbook example of 2nd or 3rd division prog, and has no business being on that list I am leaning towards byes for the top 2 seeds and expanding to perhaps 40 bands seeded one through ten. too many good suggestions, too many good ones already on the list.
Edited by micky - November 16 2014 at 11:33
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 11:43 |
timothy leary wrote:
So I believe Echolyn is more representative of prog rock with thoughtful mature lyrics combined with awsome musicianship. Where are Anglagard's lyrics? With Echolyn I know immediately they are from America.
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Why does prog need lyrics?
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 11:46 |
Good to have these poll, although there in the south its summer time! I think RPI is too low represent on the list (only PFM). I suggest Banco del Mutuo Soccorso instead of Colosseum.
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 11:49 |
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
timothy leary wrote:
So I believe Echolyn is more representative of prog rock with thoughtful mature lyrics combined with awsome musicianship. Where are Anglagard's lyrics? With Echolyn I know immediately they are from America.
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Why does prog need lyrics?
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it is often best without it re: Echolyn. There is a lot of great music, great bands not on the lists. I could toss in scores of groups that fit that. We all could. What I am looking for in trying to do the list is... are they important.. why are they important in the grand scheme of prog.
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timothy leary
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 11:51 |
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
timothy leary wrote:
So I believe Echolyn is more representative of prog rock with thoughtful mature lyrics combined with awsome musicianship. Where are Anglagard's lyrics? With Echolyn I know immediately they are from America.
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Why does prog need lyrics?
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It does not but if it will help Echolyn get in the contest I will use it.
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 11:53 |
Olape wrote:
Good to have these poll, although there in the south its summer time! I think RPI is too low represent on the list (only PFM). I suggest Banco del Mutuo Soccorso instead of Colosseum. |
Colosseum is gone in my revised list. However if I was to include another Italian group, it would be Osanna. For one they had a huge influence on one of the greatest of all prog bands, as well as doing one of what some (including myself) consider to be of the best prog rock albums ever done, as well as still being a semi active and influential group today. I didn't include them for two reasons. Lack of space, and not wanting to be seen as a homer. I might put them in the next 8 however. I'll have to think that one over.
Edited by micky - November 16 2014 at 12:00
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