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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20430 |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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^ I'm kind of disappointed that it's not Putin.
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18590 |
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I have not heard a better or clearer way of stating it than that. Epic sentence.
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Online Points: 65626 |
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Good segment from Maddow on Putin's envy over any country near him that is doing well, and the bitter resentment that fuels his psychology -- |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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timothy leary ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
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There are bombs dropping on this planet every day, that is concerning. The history of humans could also be renamed the history of war.
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King of Loss ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 16892 |
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The western ones are soft-touching and sneaky ones? I beg to differ.
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King of Loss ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 16892 |
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This is unfortunately true....
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progaardvark ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 52664 |
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Reuters is reporting that the US, UK, Europe, and Canada will be blocking Russian access to SWIFT in the coming days.
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i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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^ I suspect that when the Nordstream2 pipeline is abandoned/turned off, China has already agreed to step in to purchase Russia's gas thus getting around this sanction. Similarly, since 2014 when they annexed Crimea, Russia feared the west would remove it from the SWIFT system so has developed it's own payment platform (SPFS) Ditto China with their own CIPS platform. It almost goes without saying that sanctions will hurt at BOTH ends e.g. Russia's exports of oil and natural gas are critical to Europe's industries. That said, the short to medium term disruption to Russia would be considerable. Skepticism towards NATO's avowed 'defence alliance' purpose just might be skewed somewhat by their military intervention (without UN sanction) in both Libya and Kosovo under the stated justification of 'preventing a humanitarian catastrophe' It's difficult to see the demarcation between these three atrocities apart from the inescapable fact that the militaristic/economic retribution capabilities of Gadaffi and Milosevic combined are simply dwarfed by that of Russia. In other news: Although Turkey has condemned Russia's actions in Ukraine, their
appalling human rights record, authoritarian disdain for democratic
representation and corrupt judiciary all begs the question: what do you
have to do to actually FAIL to meet NATO's entry level qualifications?
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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How can a country fail to meet NATO's entry level qqualifications? Just be Russia or China. Who threatens the stability of the West more than those two countries?
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Archisorcerus ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 02 2022 Location: Izmir Status: Offline Points: 2707 |
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I agree, as a Turk. But this is off-topic IMO. In normal cases, I strongly guess that we'll get rid of our current government in the next elections. Will we be decent thereafter? Not sure. Back on topic: Some Turkish news say that: "Biden says alternative to sanctions against Russia would be Third World War". Here's an English link (from a Russian source) to that news: https://tass.com/world/1412125 I hope that it will not happen, but fear that it might. |
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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I think we misunderstand each other hereabouts? NATO was formed in the first place to deter Soviet expansionism (and by extrapolation, communist China's sphere of influence) plus provide a deterrent for any revival of nationalist militarism after WW2. It seems unlikely that either would want to sign up for the 'We the Undersigned Think Russia and China Really Suck Club'
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20430 |
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These "economic sanctions" have no more effect on Russia's economy than a mosquito bite. For that matter, they hirt "us" as much as "them". F1 GP in Sotchi is cancelled and Champion League final moved to Paris?? Well that ought really bring the country down, as much as ousting russia from Eirovision song contest. All laughable, really Even expulsion SWIFT's argument is almost void, since "we" have waived it against Russia for so long that they've developped an alternative system. Iran was ousted from SWIFT, and they're still around (hurting but alive). The Germans will have to bring in train loads of cash to the Russian border to buy Gazprom's We can't sell them our apples oranges, they'll buy them from elsewhere. We refuse to buy theuir gas é oil, they'll sell it to China. If anything, with those sanctions, we're pushing Russia into Chinese hands - and believe it, it's about as unwise as it gets in the long or medium run. ============= As for NATO, just saw a docu about it's birth last night, and it's not as much countering the Soviet Block as putting all national armies under a single command in order to avoid internal fights (it's +/- worked out for Greece and Turkey, despite historical awful acrimony between these two members - but it didn't even work for Cyprus). So now, NATO really looks like an idiotic institution, having flexed its muscles and doing nothing about it, once the tough gets going. |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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erm...agreed but your metaphor is crassly inappropriate (malaria still kills around 1,100 people per day. ![]() The core components of the Russian economy are to a significant extent, almost invulnerable to sanctions: They have a massive agricultural sectorAn abundance of raw materials An Advanced IT sector State of the art defence and aerospace industries Their central bank has amassed the fifth largest reserve of foreign currencies in the world sufficient to buttress against the most punitive western sanctions for the foreseeable future Putin's geopolitical gambits don't appear anywhere near as bold and reckless as they are depicted in the light of such safeguards Edited by ExittheLemming - February 27 2022 at 04:49 |
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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Edited by SteveG - February 27 2022 at 07:16 |
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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The Russian idiot has now put his nuclear defenses on stand by. Can this get any worse?
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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The Ukrainians will not lie down, they remember the Holomodor (Famine) and the men will fight endlessly to the last man. Worse would only be if the Ukrainian Army invades Russia (but that cannot happen). Time for the West to shut up the endless media rhetoric and silently strangle the Bear economically. Lest we remember that the USSR collapsed economically in 1989, effectively going bankrupt. Remember also that the people of Hungary (with no army) held the USSR to a standstill for 11 days in 1956, using Molotov cocktails with deadly effect in urban warfare. In chess, the need for a draw is the best outcome , may it be so in war as well...
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