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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2010 at 21:53
I really like the Reefer Madness version with optional background commentary by Mike Nelson, but that movie is even funny straight up thanks to the really really really horrible writing.  It's been colorized, dude.LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2010 at 21:54
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

I don't know, but stoners are really annoying so there is an element of spite in any decision I make about it.


This is getting creepy, Henry took the words right out of my mouth. I agree and as irritating as drunks can be they never seem to end up babbling on about small mythical creatures, the futility of bathing and how the universe is expanding in direct inverse proportion to their own giggling infantile charm.

It's not called dope for nothing...

Personally I loathe the stuff, (it makes me paranoid) but I think it should be legalised for nothing else than it might then be prescribed for those who would get a real benefit from it's use (and remove those from the equation who only eat fruit if it is marked 'forbidden')
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2010 at 07:17
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

I never said marijuana was all good. I don't even smoke the stuff. Saying it should be illegal because you personally find it stupid or morally wrong to do without taking into account all of the additional negative factors that would go away with its legalization . . . that's naivete, in my book. The positives of legalizing this drug far outweigh the negatives. Go look into it. If you still wish to keep it out of free people's hands for your own reasons, then that's not only naive; it's also pretty selfish in my book. 


Who said that? I only pointed that, if marijuana should be legalized, all other mind-altering substances should because of coherence.

You cannot say the benefits of legalizing marijuana outweigh the negatives because you haven't seen what happens in the long term. Anyway, legalizing marijuana hardly solves the problem of drug trafficking. To believe that is being naive.

I put my personal opinion just to counter your false argument that I defended the use of alcohol, but I didn't say that it should or shouldn't be adopted. I never said marijuana should be forbidden because I think its use morally wrong, you just put these fake propositions in my argument to counter it with the shallow arguments people who defend marijuana legalization. I never even implied you smoke it, just said you only saw the benefits, while you pointed only the harms of alcohol use. But if you can't understand what I said and will keep putting words in my mouth, no problems. I have nothing else to add.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2010 at 15:11
Originally posted by <strong><em>JLocke</em></strong><em></em> JLocke wrote:

I don't know, but stoners are really annoying so there is an element of spite in any decision I make about it.


Stoners are annoying cause its illegal, they think they're cool
Btw I'm kinding, most of the stoners are awesome and less anoying than everybody else


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2010 at 18:51
 
Originally posted by <strong><em>JLocke</em></strong><em></em> JLocke wrote:

I don't know, but stoners are really annoying so there is an element of spite in any decision I make about it.


Stoners are both extremely annoying and can often be really funny. There was a kid in one of my classes who had obviously smoked before class.  That was an interesting class to say the least. I find it really annoying when kids like that then brag that they're so cool because they're breaking the law. Get a grip kid, weed's just dumb, especially in school. The same kid got caught a couple months later and was arrested (for the second time) and was expelled. It's just dumb. Not to mention he did't do so well in the classes he was in because he could never concentrate. He was a smart kid too, that's what was sad about it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2010 at 20:48
Originally posted by andyman1125 andyman1125 wrote:

 
Originally posted by <strong><em>JLocke</em></strong><em></em> JLocke wrote:

I don't know, but stoners are really annoying so there is an element of spite in any decision I make about it.


Stoners are both extremely annoying and can often be really funny. There was a kid in one of my classes who had obviously smoked before class.  That was an interesting class to say the least. I find it really annoying when kids like that then brag that they're so cool because they're breaking the law. Get a grip kid, weed's just dumb, especially in school. The same kid got caught a couple months later and was arrested (for the second time) and was expelled. It's just dumb. Not to mention he did't do so well in the classes he was in because he could never concentrate. He was a smart kid too, that's what was sad about it.


Yeah basically if you do something just because it's illegal you are dumb.
It's kind of like throwing people in jail for using it.  And you though pot smokers were dumb...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2010 at 21:34
Originally posted by akin akin wrote:

Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

I never said marijuana was all good. I don't even smoke the stuff. Saying it should be illegal because you personally find it stupid or morally wrong to do without taking into account all of the additional negative factors that would go away with its legalization . . . that's naivete, in my book. The positives of legalizing this drug far outweigh the negatives. Go look into it. If you still wish to keep it out of free people's hands for your own reasons, then that's not only naive; it's also pretty selfish in my book. 


Who said that? I only pointed that, if marijuana should be legalized, all other mind-altering substances should because of coherence.

You cannot say the benefits of legalizing marijuana outweigh the negatives because you haven't seen what happens in the long term. Anyway, legalizing marijuana hardly solves the problem of drug trafficking. To believe that is being naive.

I put my personal opinion just to counter your false argument that I defended the use of alcohol, but I didn't say that it should or shouldn't be adopted. I never said marijuana should be forbidden because I think its use morally wrong, you just put these fake propositions in my argument to counter it with the shallow arguments people who defend marijuana legalization. I never even implied you smoke it, just said you only saw the benefits, while you pointed only the harms of alcohol use. But if you can't understand what I said and will keep putting words in my mouth, no problems. I have nothing else to add.

Look into a little bit of history and see all the extra chaos Alcohol prohibition caused. The same pointless crimes are happening now because drugs are illegal (and I actually agree with you that all drugs should be made legal, though I think you were actually trying to be facetious). And I can see what happens in the long term as far as prolonged use. People have been smoking pot all their lives, and are fine contributers to society. As for the lowlives who smoke it and go down a negative path; those people are going to do that anyway regardless of the legality of such substances. I cannot believe you actually think I'm the naive one in this. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2010 at 21:35
Deleuze and andyman . . . please learn to quote people properly. I did not write the post you guys are giving me credit for, I'd appreciate it if you fixed that. Thanks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2010 at 02:04
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2010 at 16:36
Umm......IT needs to be legalized

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2010 at 16:47
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Deleuze and andyman . . . please learn to quote people properly. I did not write the post you guys are giving me credit for, I'd appreciate it if you fixed that. Thanks.
oops, i quoted deleuze's post, so that's where I went wrong.

I take it i did it correctly this time? Tongue hopefully
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2010 at 16:59
Originally posted by andyman1125 andyman1125 wrote:

Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Deleuze and andyman . . . please learn to quote people properly. I did not write the post you guys are giving me credit for, I'd appreciate it if you fixed that. Thanks.
oops, i quoted deleuze's post, so that's where I went wrong.

I take it i did it correctly this time? Tongue hopefully

The quote still says me, from where I'm sitting. Plainview was the one who originally made the post.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2010 at 16:59
I live in a county with special sheriffs department task forces to combat cartel growers in the nearby mountains and foothills. The remainder of the county is left with only a handful of officers to report to real emergencies. Logic dictates the cartel activity would be untenable without the money to support it. If anybody who really wants It could produce it in their own back yard or basement, they wouldn't need these heavily armed narcotic profiteers to supply it. It would be nice to have the massive amount of resources spent on the search, recon and elimination of these wilderness mega-gardens back into protecting our communities. They can start by rooting out all the local meth labs.

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Oh see now JLocke, you've quoted your own misquote. You are almost certainly doomed to ownership now. Hot Potato!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2010 at 01:52
In Holland you can buy soft drugs in every city and we're doing just fine. If it was to be legalized fully, it would be more easy to regulate.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2010 at 02:15
Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:



Oh see now JLocke, you've quoted your own misquote. You are almost certainly doomed to ownership now. Hot Potato!

When did I do that?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2010 at 02:45
Of course ALL drugs should be legal. It's not government business what people smoke, eat or put inside their veins. If government can decide it, so it means we're all slaves 'cos we have no responsibility for our own lives. Very easy explanation.

P.S. Surely I don't take any drugs and I don't even smoke cigarettes. I'm peaceful Polish guy who only needs some vodka from time to time and no other "dimension changing" substances ;-).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2010 at 23:15
Hey, anti-pot people who say my position is naive, I just thought I would bring up what's been going on in Mexico in regards to the war on drugs:


Now, that's just in three years since they declared a drug war. That's big numbers in a very short amount of time. Deaths that would not have even happened had the selling and consumption of drugs been made illegal. Because what happens? Gangs get created and violence occurs under the radar. A whole new crime culture starts up literally overnight because the substances in question cannot be obtained any other way. Do not tell me that these types of crimes wouldn't shrink considerably if a legal, more affordable provider of these drugs would be made available. In Mexico or the US.

Ironically, many of the anti-drug folks will use those same numbers as a way to support their side of the argument and a reason to keep drugs illegal. They just don't seem to realize that the only reason so many drug-related deaths occur in the first place is due to the illegality (and subsequent unmanageability) of it all. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2010 at 00:46
Yeah, but while legalized marijuana in the US would put a dent in their revenues, that wouldn't do a whole lot to stop the violence. There's a lot more money in heroin, cocaine, and human trafficking than marijuana.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2010 at 01:24
^ Well, I'm in favor of all drugs being legal, but that's not particularly what this poll is about. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2010 at 05:50
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Hey, anti-pot people who say my position is naive, I just thought I would bring up what's been going on in Mexico in regards to the war on drugs:


Now, that's just in three years since they declared a drug war. That's big numbers in a very short amount of time. Deaths that would not have even happened had the selling and consumption of drugs been made illegal. Because what happens? Gangs get created and violence occurs under the radar. A whole new crime culture starts up literally overnight because the substances in question cannot be obtained any other way. Do not tell me that these types of crimes wouldn't shrink considerably if a legal, more affordable provider of these drugs would be made available. In Mexico or the US.

Ironically, many of the anti-drug folks will use those same numbers as a way to support their side of the argument and a reason to keep drugs illegal. They just don't seem to realize that the only reason so many drug-related deaths occur in the first place is due to the illegality (and subsequent unmanageability) of it all. 


I still can't understand you because I called your opinion naive but in any moment I said drugs should be prohibited or legalized, I just said that the whole marijuana discussion is bs because if it is to be legalized, you have to legalize all other mind-altering substances to keep the coherence.

Anyway, your opinion about that is naive because it is not the drug prohibition that make criminals exist. If it is not the drugs, it will be guns, human trafficking, prostitution, gambling, electronics, prog cds and any other illegal or heavily restricted thing anywhere. There will always be people trying to profit over prohibited things unless everything is made legal and unrestricted.
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