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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2007 at 22:35
Yes, and some are still messed up I think.
Let's wait and see if there's be an announcement from M@X or Easy Livin' about all this.
 
I'll try and get those Zorn releases you mentioned, sounds like I'll like this.
 
By the way (and also aimed at James), I listened to Ultralyd (and aside from loving it), I think they may have a good place in Avant.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 29 2007 at 19:03
I got intrigued about Normal Love (http://www.myspace.com/normallove) and found this review at AAJ:
Normal Love
Normal Love (High Two Recordings)
Reviewed by
James Taylor
 
 
Here is the text from the album page at Wayside:
 
Normal Love - 2007
 
SKU 28/HIGH TWO 015
I saw this band in the fall of 2006 and they were quite impressive. It was very complex music performed with an agressive edge; they only had about 28' of material down that they were able to perform, but I marked them in my book as a band to watch and I was definitely right!

"Normal Love is a beautiful mess—I’m sure we can all attest to that. But seriously, Normal Love, the band, is a five-piece ensemble from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, that straddles the seemingly distant divide between thrash-metal noisecore and 20th Century composition. Their self-titled debut, on boundary busting record label High Two, is a nerve-tingling exposition, as dissonant chords and meandering anti-melodies tug, tear and torture the soul of the listener. It’s important to note that the six compositions found on Normal Love are, in fact, just that—compositions. Normal Love exclusively performs composed music, usually reading from sheet music on stage. “Severe Confection” is a bit of a musical concussion, a technically demanding soundscape of layered rhythms and rotating time signatures. You almost have to be glad knowing that this band is performing pre-composed music—because to play like this out of sheer spontaneity would be, well, sickening. Guitarists Alex Nagle and Ammon D. Freidlin shred with unbridled ferocity on “The Signal’s Coming from Pittsburgh (Part One),” doodling at a dizzying pace before launching into the chug-chug rhythms of the tech-core bands so popular in the indie-metal scene today. On “Pittsburgh (Part Two),” Carlos Santiago’s plugged-in violin is really given some room to maneuver. The four stringed instruments, Nagle, Freidlin, Santiago and bassist Evan Lipson, dance around African polyrhythms on “Ndugo,” with drummer Eli Litwin sitting out until well into the tune. Not to be ignored, Litwin takes over “Final Sarcophagus.” His blast beats and double-bass drum rolls (drumming more akin to Dillinger Escape Plan and Zach Hill’s Hella than, say, Han Bennink) give “Sarcophagus” a completely different feel than the rest of the selections found here. “Hooks” has plenty of those—not melodic hooks but more like the sort that accompany jabs and precede uppercuts. Like the best boxing match, this track feels like a dance, as the band bobs and weaves against Litwin’s static click. With this level of intensity, it’d be easy to dismiss Normal Love as chaotic noise or thoughtless, amplified angst bombs—just like assuming spontaneous combustion is something that just happens and having to deal with irony contained therein. But Normal Love is hardly that. Play this album at ten if you’re looking for a good reason to get evicted. Play it at ten if you’ve had the worst day ever and you’re just looking to thrash. Just play it as loud as possible—Normal Love would like that, I’m sure."-All About Jazz/James Taylor

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  • Label High Two

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 29 2007 at 19:42
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Yes, and some are still messed up I think.
Let's wait and see if there's be an announcement from M@X or Easy Livin' about all this.
 
I'll try and get those Zorn releases you mentioned, sounds like I'll like this.
 
By the way (and also aimed at James), I listened to Ultralyd (and aside from loving it), I think they may have a good place in Avant.
 
 


Ultralyd are fantastic.  They're related to Jaga Jazzist too, but I forget exactly how.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 29 2007 at 23:01
Bj-1 added another Italian band to the PA Avant database - Ensemble Havadia
He also wrote a review, brought here below:
 
ENSEMBLE HAVADIÀ — Ensemble Havadià
Review by Bj-1 (Bj�rnar Lunde)
Collaborator Zeuhl/RIO/Avant Team

— First review of this album —

4%20stars A journey through a bit more odd landscapes than usual, perhaps?

The first release from this absolutely unique Italian ensemble is definitely an obvious pick for some of the most promising and interesting albums I have heard recently, or even during this year. After stumbling over these guys/gals I must admit that it took me a while before it really growed on me, but when it did it went from from just interesting to incredibly facinating. A true standout within the Italian RIO/Avant scene if you ask me. What about describing the music, you ask? Well, it could best be described as a very melodic kind of folk music mingling with some very prominent avantgarde and classical influences, with very interesting vocal use and additional instrumentation. The music is challenging but also very ethnic and beautiful up to several times, and while the avantgarde still is present quite often here this album is very accessible although it might take some time to fully get into it. It would be difficult to pick out some particular excellent moments from this album but I have to say that I especially like Il serpente burocratico, Gocce amare and Fuma el camin. Otherwise, it's a fairly cohesive album that should be listened from start to finish to fully experience it. Comparing Ensemble Havadià to another band would be easier, think of a slightly less avantgarde Opus Avantra (Introspezione-era) and there you go!

Before ending this review, I have to say that I was particulary impressed by the vocal arrangements on this album. The arrangements of the male/female vocals are excellent and manages to fit the complex music perfectly, and I can also sense some Zeuhl influences in the vocal work as well, although being less repetitive. The musicianship is about the same as the vocals; well- handled and systematically competent put together, including some really fine eclectic instrumentation on several of the tracks. So basically, Im saying that if you dig adventurous vocal oriented avantgarde, folk and classical music that is original and well-put together, then I urge you to check out this album. Highly recommended! 4.5/5

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 29 2007 at 23:15

Indeed I did!

And I recommend anyone with particular interest to check it outThumbs%20Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2007 at 16:36
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:


Ultralyd are fantastic.  They're related to Jaga Jazzist too, but I forget exactly how.

Now that caught my attention! I love Jaga Jazzist.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2007 at 17:18
If you liked Ultralyd (and I loved it), then look for Superslient (http://www.supersilence.net/)
 
By the way for those interested, look at Rotary Totem website to see the latest offering by Mr. James Brigsby:
 
Two self made DVD-R's
 
MOTOR TOTEMIST GUILD
IN CONCERT WITH MUSICIANS OF
CAMBODIA AND LAOS

1988 Rotary Totem DVD 8891
$14
 
U TOTEM
IN CONCERT

1990 Rotary Totem DVD 0991
$14
 
Also check his Nimby project (also available on the website) - http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:3pfwxqedldje
 
 
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Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:


Ultralyd are fantastic.  They're related to Jaga Jazzist too, but I forget exactly how.

Now that caught my attention! I love Jaga Jazzist.



Well they sound like a cross between Jaga Jazzist, Shining (Grindstone sound), Supersilent (who've I've yet to hear) and AMM (from way back in 1966!).

A very good band indeed, with elements of post-rock, post-jazz, avant-jazz, avant-prog and minimalism.

Check them out, Ruben!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2007 at 13:58
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2007 at 20:44
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

I got intrigued about Normal Love (http://www.myspace.com/normallove) and found this review at AAJ:
Normal Love
Normal Love (High Two Recordings)
Reviewed by
James Taylor
 
 
Here is the text from the album page at Wayside:
 
Normal Love - 2007
 
SKU 28/HIGH TWO 015
I saw this band in the fall of 2006 and they were quite impressive. It was very complex music performed with an agressive edge; they only had about 28' of material down that they were able to perform, but I marked them in my book as a band to watch and I was definitely right!

"Normal Love is a beautiful mess—I’m sure we can all attest to that. But seriously, Normal Love, the band, is a five-piece ensemble from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, that straddles the seemingly distant divide between thrash-metal noisecore and 20th Century composition. Their self-titled debut, on boundary busting record label High Two, is a nerve-tingling exposition, as dissonant chords and meandering anti-melodies tug, tear and torture the soul of the listener. It’s important to note that the six compositions found on Normal Love are, in fact, just that—compositions. Normal Love exclusively performs composed music, usually reading from sheet music on stage. “Severe Confection” is a bit of a musical concussion, a technically demanding soundscape of layered rhythms and rotating time signatures. You almost have to be glad knowing that this band is performing pre-composed music—because to play like this out of sheer spontaneity would be, well, sickening. Guitarists Alex Nagle and Ammon D. Freidlin shred with unbridled ferocity on “The Signal’s Coming from Pittsburgh (Part One),” doodling at a dizzying pace before launching into the chug-chug rhythms of the tech-core bands so popular in the indie-metal scene today. On “Pittsburgh (Part Two),” Carlos Santiago’s plugged-in violin is really given some room to maneuver. The four stringed instruments, Nagle, Freidlin, Santiago and bassist Evan Lipson, dance around African polyrhythms on “Ndugo,” with drummer Eli Litwin sitting out until well into the tune. Not to be ignored, Litwin takes over “Final Sarcophagus.” His blast beats and double-bass drum rolls (drumming more akin to Dillinger Escape Plan and Zach Hill’s Hella than, say, Han Bennink) give “Sarcophagus” a completely different feel than the rest of the selections found here. “Hooks” has plenty of those—not melodic hooks but more like the sort that accompany jabs and precede uppercuts. Like the best boxing match, this track feels like a dance, as the band bobs and weaves against Litwin’s static click. With this level of intensity, it’d be easy to dismiss Normal Love as chaotic noise or thoughtless, amplified angst bombs—just like assuming spontaneous combustion is something that just happens and having to deal with irony contained therein. But Normal Love is hardly that. Play this album at ten if you’re looking for a good reason to get evicted. Play it at ten if you’ve had the worst day ever and you’re just looking to thrash. Just play it as loud as possible—Normal Love would like that, I’m sure."-All About Jazz/James Taylor

You can hear their music here
  • Label High Two

Normal%20Love%20-%202007

 

 

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This is brilliant, yet again.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2007 at 20:57
LOL
 
I ordered that Normal Love album along with His Name Is Alive - Sweet Earth Flower - A Tribute to Marion Brown; Make A Rising - Rip Through the Hawk Black Night ; ShotXShot - s/t
Costs 13$ there (instead of 17$ in Wayside I think).
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2007 at 21:03

Awesome, thanks.  I'm certainly enjoying the brutal dissonance from the myspace.  I'm definitely buying this. 

 
EDIT: I just bought the album through the label.  Do you know how long it should take to get here... is there some sort of tracking I can use?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2007 at 22:52
Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

If you liked Ultralyd (and I loved it), then look for Superslient (http://www.supersilence.net/)
 
By the way for those interested, look at Rotary Totem website to see the latest offering by Mr. James Brigsby:
 
Two self made DVD-R's
 
MOTOR TOTEMIST GUILD
IN CONCERT WITH MUSICIANS OF
CAMBODIA AND LAOS

1988 Rotary Totem DVD 8891
$14
 
U TOTEM
IN CONCERT

1990 Rotary Totem DVD 0991
$14
 
Also check his Nimby project (also available on the website) - http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:3pfwxqedldje
 
 


If I'm not mistaken, most or all of the material from those DVD-R's has been posted on YouTube, by someone who appears to be affiliated with the bands. 

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Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

LOL
 
I ordered that Normal Love album along with His Name Is Alive - Sweet Earth Flower - A Tribute to Marion Brown; Make A Rising - Rip Through the Hawk Black Night ; ShotXShot - s/t
Costs 13$ there (instead of 17$ in Wayside I think).
 
 
Wow, His Name is Alive is great as well.  I might have to get their new EP. 
 
Oh my, the same with Make a Rising.  This is great.  Are they releasing a new album next year?  Jesus, the new Make a Rising songs are temendously amazingly insanely good!  I'll be getting that album for sure, too. 


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I found the Make a Rising album at my local indie record store.  It's a great album.  And think of everything in the album as "part" of the entire thing.  Everything connects in a way that all of the songs collectively make one gigantic song.  The album reminds me of Henry Cow a bit.  I'm really excited for the new album (this year already!?).
 
 
Also, you guys should check out Degenerate Art Ensemble. 
 
http://www.myspace.com/degenerateartensemble


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2008 at 23:24
Originally posted by mecca mecca wrote:

I found the Make a Rising album at my local indie record store.  It's a great album.  And think of everything in the album as "part" of the entire thing.  Everything connects in a way that all of the songs collectively make one gigantic song.  The album reminds me of Henry Cow a bit.  I'm really excited for the new album (this year already!?).
 
 
Also, you guys should check out Degenerate Art Ensemble. 
 
http://www.myspace.com/degenerateartensemble



i dont have their new album yet, but i have "the bastress". it's fantastic. Thumbs%20Up

their song 'dreams from wounded mouth' is stunning.




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Originally posted by mecca mecca wrote:

Also, you guys should check out Degenerate Art Ensemble. 
 
http://www.myspace.com/degenerateartensemble
 
 
Thanks, I'll definitely check it out
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2008 at 22:45
I mentioned them before but it doesn't hurt to do so again.
Latvian band Olive Mess (guess who they're named after?) are a talented bunch of musicians and have released Gramercy (which has a poor rating here in PA and I intend on giving a positive review which will elevate somewhat the score) which has a nice touch of medieval folk, avant-rock and symphonic rock.
 
They have recorded a second album and are looking for a label to distribute it.
 
 
Here is their Myspace bio:
 
All begins with a history created by people or events, which sometimes play an important role in life of destinies. Denis Arsenin's (bass) casual acquaintance with Edgar Kempish (drums) has lead to the creation of musicians' association and "Olive Mess" group. Almost at once a third person - Alexey Syomin (guitar) appears. Group's formation and development begins with this moment. The official date of the "Olive Mess" creation is November 2, 1998 - the day of their first joint rehearsal.

First time the group was in searches. First of all it was necessary to find the musical direction, style of sounding for the future work. And the direction was found - art rock. The name of the group is not casual: firstly, the band was named in honour of the French composer Olivie Messian (XX century); and, secondly, - the name of the group reflects the essence of the "Olive Mess" music - its music has very specific features as well as the taste of olives is also very specific.

A bit later the vocalist has come into the group. His musical potential was reach, but relations with other members of the group were poor. Next year the vocalist has left the group, although the first concert of "Olive Mess" has been performed with his participation ("April theses" festival in April, 1999). And from that time more than year the "Olive Mess" existed as the trio. Mainly, the concerts of " Olive Mess" were performed in the music club "Saxophone". The "Olive Mess" repertoire included not only its own compositions, but also the compositions of such known groups as King Crimson - "Red", "Lark's Toungs in Aspic II" and "Pictures of a City", until the group's own repertoire has become sufficiently reach.

On March 2001 the group has made rehearsal record "Live without audience" which was used as demo record. 3 compositions were recorded - "Gramercy", "The Holly and Ivy Girl" (vocal parts were added later), and "1572 (part II)" - the very first composition written by the group: the event, which occurred in France, on August 23, 1572 and became popular in the world's history under the name "St. Bartholomew's day Massacre", served as the basis of this composition.

On May 2001, the vocalist of well-known vocal ensemble "Canto" - Ilze Paegle has come into the group. But in November of the same year the former participant of the "Biosfera" group - Lilija Voronova (keyboards) has joined "Olive Mess".

November 2001 for the band has become another turning-point - musicians prepared for recording of the first album which should be released under the French label "Soleil Zeuhl". 5 compositions will be included in the "Gramercy" album. Gramercy - expression in the old-french language. It was taken from the XV century's novel "Arthur's Death", written by English writer Thomas Melory. In the vocal version of the given composition is used the text from the book-treatise - "Musick's Monument" (London, 1672) of the English lutenist of XVII century - Thomas Mace. This composition is devoted to Michael Nikitin, Nezhat Ablemitov, Oleg Gorbarenko and other persons who have influenced the "Olive Mess" group. " The Holly and Ivy Girl " is the group's version of the traditional Irish Christmas song. Other two compositions are instrumental "Degeneratus Vulgaris" and the play "Stephan, the Shepherd Boy", in which is used Jonathan Tully's poem, written specially for "Olive Mess" (XIII century's events in France, known as "the Children's Crusade").

During last few years Olive Mess hasn't played a lot of concert, but participate in some good festivals such as Kuri Proge, InProg and Proguary. Also some band members have been changed: In 2005 the new keyboard player, young and talanted Liza have comed to the band. and in 2005 Olive Mess have replaced Ilze, who have leaved the band in 2005, by Dmitrij Rumjancevs, ex "Hologramm". Artist, director, vocalist, first Latvian pro-rock Festival PROGUARY author and organazer- he played with Olive Mess in Proguary 2005 and in InProg fests. In 2005 he also leaves group. In 2006 Edgar and Dmitrij have organazed second prog-rock fest in Latvia Proguary 2006. Olive Mess played there whith a new vocalist Maris Jekabsons, who also addid some colorite whith his bagpipes.

In summer 2007 band have recorded a new album "Cherdak" and now looking for the Label to published it.



our ALBUM's TRACKS You can find at ourWEB SITE and at FREE!MUSIC site.

PS we upload short version, because the songs are too long and and files are bigger than 10 mb :( But You can listen them in the original version for free in FREE!MUSIC (there You can find a lot of good groups :) )
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2008 at 23:07
Thanks, Assaf!
 
Will definitely check'em out!
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2008 at 23:12
Just noticed on the homepage, our fellow reviewer Finnforest did a great review of Stormy Six' "L'Apprendista" album:
 
 
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STORMY SIX L'Apprendista
Review by Finnforest (James)
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4%20stars The best way I can describe this album? It does to folk music what Area does to jazz.

It reinvents with its own rules. It is original, the playing is tight and accomplished, and the songs combine strangeness with some melody. It is a fine album and a must to anyone who wants to hear one of the RIO movements true originals. Stormy Six came from Milan Italy in the 1960s and released quite a few albums in the 70s. This is the first of theirs Ive heard but it likely will not be the last. For a RIO/Avant selection it is reasonably accessible, employing mainly acoustic instruments in songs that are more musical than dissonant. Yes there are odd time signatures, weird chord progressions, strange non-melodic sections, and a few things that may irritate the melodic-rock progster in you, but I think Stormy is approachable enough for anyone to get after 3 or 4 spins. This is a quirky album that insists on having fun but is not extreme or harsh enough to scare anyone away. For that reason it might actually be too tame for hard-core RIO fans, but I dont think so. It may be the album to score on both fronts.

Alex Temple from Progweed has a nice paragraph describing the SS sound: It tends to get compared to Gentle Giant, and while that's not entirely inaccurate, it's also somewhat misleading. What we do get is occasional tinges of Renaissance and Baroque music (the flourishes at the beginning of the title track could be right out of Telemann), and detailed counterpoint, including some wonderful three-part a capella polyphony in L'Orchestra dei Fischiettei. What we don't get is keyboard synths, vocals that sound remotely like Kerry Minnear and Derek Shulman, or anything approaching a rock-out. Picture the instrumental opening of Schooldays or the middle section of Black Cat instead of Experience or Proclamation and you'll start to have a better idea. [Alex Temple, Progweed 2002]

My thoughts on the tracks are as follows: Buon Lavoroi starts with xylophone I think, with good bass and violin. It builds adding more sounds until the rather odd vocal chorus that reminds me of cowboys around a fire or something. Very cool violin/bass interplay in this upbeat track. The title track continues the upbeat mood at first with violin though the vocal versus seem a bit sad. Half way through the song stops and what follows is a delightful strings solo, the drums and bass eventually coming back in. The odd vocal returns at the end. Carmine starts with acoustic and xylophone lightly conversing, then bass, vocals, and violin gently join. Then comes a jazzy section that proves how great the drums and bass are, I could listen to these guys mix it up all day. Bassoon, violin, and acoustics trade off some flash. Il Barbiere sounds like regular violin playing against plucked violin notes and bass to a light drum beat. With the static vocal delivery it creates kind of a hypnotic effect. This stops about half-way through and there is a guitar solo. Then the bass comes in and there is some nice violin jousting. The vocals return as the bass, violin, and drumming just literally dancebreathtaking. Cuore features violin, cello and light woodwinds to hand percussion. Vocals and drums come in and there is a bit of piano. The stereo separation is excellent. Il Labirinto actually starts like a normal song! A slow beat with excellent bass playing backs a repeating melody that occurs first on electric guitar, then on strings, and then on sax. Very cool how they tie that together. More piano thrown in behind the vocals. There is a wild freak-out sax section and then it comes back to the repeating melodic theme and this track is very nearly symphonic in nature. Rosso starts with strange vocals over acoustic and almost psych orchestral arrangements. The song has a very uneasy mood, very unsettling. Lorchestra Dei Fischietti has a chaotic opening with some rock blasts intermixed with studio goofing off noises. Soon that stops and an acoustic ushers in the band and the track develops into a somewhat straight folk rocker but with plenty of spice to be sure. Great sax and bass playing. A bit more electric guitar in this track. Late in the song is a Gentle Giant-like vocal section followed by a nice violin finale, and then a punchy guitar goodbye. Holy cow, what a ride!

Another comment on the album from Kai Karmanheimo of GEPR: L'Apprendista is surprisingly lyrical and accessible. That doesn't mean that it isn't challenging, it is just that the band show their colour in their openly political lyrics (or liner notes at least) and the riotous innovation and hybridization that subtly subverts many of the diverse styles they draw from. The sound is predominantly acoustic and open, with acoustic and clean electric guitars, mandolins, tuned percussion and especially a nimble string quartet and an occasional woodwind supporting the restrained male vocals, which are prominent on every track. The first couple of songs are pretty melodic and straight-forward in the verse-chorus format, yet accentual and rhythmic irregularities, touches of dissonance and sudden interjections, like the contrapuntal string intermezzo on the title track, keep things slightly out of kilter; the mock-stately vocal style on the title track also suggests the influence of contemporaneous agit-prop songs. [Kai Karmanheimo, GEPR]

So why not 5 stars? Well, most of my 5 star albums capture my heart first and stimulate my brain second. Stormy Six definitely stimulates the intellect but Im not sure my heart is totally captured..yet, at least. But who knows, Ive only had the album for one year and its rumored to be a grower! Highly recommended to anyone who loves adventurous, acoustic flavored music with lots of violin, which wholeheartedly captures the true spirit of what it means to be progressive. Fans of groups as diverse as Area, Conventum, and yes, Gentle Giant, will all find something to appreciate from this Stormy Six classic. The VM/BTF reissue is an especially tasty gatefold mini-lp sleeve of very high quality, and a booklet with lyrics, photos, and bio.

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