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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 05:04
I found this one by chance, and I can't understand a single word of it:

CURVED AIR — Phantasmagoria

Review by braindamage

5 stars The third work of CURVED AIR released in 1972 "Phantasmagoria". It is an initial highest personally masterpiece. A lot of guests of the jazz system are invited, and a fantastic album like the casket where various music is installed. The work that is excellent progressive music. The reason for the member named Linwood is that this used the family name after Sonja Kristina marries as those who compose though credit is done.


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Points: 20412 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 07:43
 
Review by drain-o (Jacques Brenier)
Posted 12:54:22 PM EST, 7/17/2006

4 stars Fugazi was the second album of Marillion following their debut masterpiece. As always, it is an excellent record, often improving on the majority of post-Fish Marillion albums . Fugazi was also the first album of Ian Mosley because the previous drummer of Marillion indicated he would leave (later it would be in Arena). (>> Turns out he was fired)

Assassing is a high blow-of-foot in the song of trousers with its principal beat and tearing off beat of foot. I really dig this Assassing song and appreciated it for many years. The Punch and Judy song, which I think are about these puppet characters because I do not feel to continue punch and it would not be a nice thing to make even if it is in a song. The seesaw of  Emerald Lies, and it Chameleon are very much above the average symphonic prog songs, still kind of similar period 1978-1982 of Genesis in the overall feel. The two final tracks, Incubus and Fugazi, are the best ones on the album, being more complex than the rest.

For the majority, the overall track list seems disjointed when compared with their debut and thus not completely what I would call a chef d'oeuvre. It is nevertheless a strong quality release which is worth the time invested and being added to your collection. If my jams of toe with the roasted bearings, I know I can find a heating of thermometer to the top of the rays of the sun coming from my ears and belly. Easily four holds the first role and strongly recommended.
 
Uuuuhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!.........
 
 
On second thought, I give up.
 
I made correction in brown but the pink sentence I'd rather not touch. Or else I would want to edit them out and print the review as I corrected
 
 
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prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
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Points: 46301 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:13
hey guys, was anything of a Dsotm review by one cscrutinizer been brought recently here? The member posted complain on first page and he's pretty upset... Confused
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:14
Pretty upset is the understatement of the year, Rico. He insulted us at the end of his post - something I can sort of understand, but not condone in the least. There are PMs for that, even if he's a newbie - not to mention review guidelines posted in evidence at the beginning of each section.
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Points: 46301 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:31
well,he rushed into typical accusations.not agree with his mode of complaining, yet stoney found the actual comment (June 22nd), think everything's pretty clear.
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Points: 46301 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:37
PONTY, JEAN-LUC — King Kong: Jean-Luc Ponty Plays the Music of Frank Zappa
Review by olhar_47 3 stars How "who is Jean-Luc Ponty"? He is the greatest violinist of jazz by Europe. There's no bad albums in his career, just masterpieces!!!! Playing Zappa, Ponty show somethings what can do!!! But it's a littlle bit of all he did! In "Plays the Music of Frank Zappa" Jean-Luc Ponty played the old sucess by Zappa (60 and early 70,s).

Who wants to know Ponty must hear: Aurora (1976), Enigmatic Ocean (1977), Individual Choice (1983), Fables (1985) and others.

He is a genius by Jazz Rock / Prog Fusion!!!!

Bob

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okay, Bob here does a "sleepy-time" review, where he actually doesn't even gives some opinion over the album, but over Ponty. more like a short biography he did...hmm...so no.

(btw, Ponty was in Romania and I found out TOO FREAKING LATE) Cry
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Points: 21342 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:41
And he even quoted part of the first sentence of my review for that album (which I published this morning).Wink
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Points: 46301 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:43
Originally posted by Cygnus X-2 Cygnus X-2 wrote:

And he even quoted part of the first sentence of my review for that album (which I published this morning).Wink


":who is Jean-Luc Ponty"? how original...Wink

(then again, no trademark, it's for "grabs") Stern SmileWink
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Points: 7003 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:52
I'm not sure about this review. http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=86465
 
No quibble with the rating, and the reviewer does engage in some discussion about the music, but overall it seems to be more about how he prefers other bands, and the last couple of paragraphs he seems more concerned with asserting his superior taste and judgement:
 
I think a lot of proggers like these guys because they haven't heard anything of the progressive/indie-rock explosion of the 1990s. Even obvious band likes Ruins or Don Caballero are far more intersting than Guapo. The only way I can see anyone being impressed by this band is if they only listened to 70's prog and were ignorant of the progressive-influenced independent rock bands of the 90's (I'm NOT talking about Death Cab for Cutie).

I'm not quite sure how Guapo have connected with progressive fans, while bands like Don Cab, Ruins, and the Flying Luttenbachers tend to appeal to independent rock fans. Maybe it is a label oriented thing, or maybe a lot of progressive rock fans find virtue in tedium. My suggestion is to ignore what record label they are on (don't get me wrong, Cuneiform is great) and actually listen to the music. This one is a snoozer...
 
I don't think that the review or rating should be deleted, but maybe some editing could be suggested.
 
 
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Points: 46301 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 15:54
^ are we giving him more reason to think we're "nerds" opressive people (see his flame complain) Wink

(I refrain from an vote on that one...)


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Points: 7003 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 16:08
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

^ are we giving him more reason to think we're "nerds" opressive people (see his flame complain) Wink

(I refrain from an vote on that one...)
 
You mean he's done this before?
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Points: 848 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2006 at 20:40
I'm not always sure what is acceptable here as a review & what's not - which is why I haven't yet done one - but I certainly think that when reviewers say stuff like :
 
 "I don't have much to say on this one as I don't listen to it all that much. But with my personal opinion aside it is still one of the best prog albums and deserves to be rated accordingly. "
 
which is part of a review currently on the front page, that surely isn't much cop?
 
In any case, I still see your criteria for rejecting reviews as too arbitrary; many that don't describe the music or one's reaction to it, or which don't help me to decide whether to take a punt on a certain album, are allowed to stand; others that are quite informative, and helpful, and therefore necessarily subjective, are deleted. As a service to those of us who don't know every prog band going, I think the reviews are OK, but could be better. My suspicion is that your rules (for rejection/acceptance) aren't so wrong, but that their application could be improved.
 
Please don't just do a knee-jerk huffy response to criticism like this; I've monitored the reviews themselves & "inappropriate reviews" forum for some time, and am just reporting on what I see...Smile...from the outside lookin' in....
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2006 at 03:06
You're thoughts are welcome CT.
 
Don't assume of course that just because a review is referred in the inappropriate reviews thread, it is automatically removed. Atkingani and I are very appreciative of the help we get from this thread, but at the end of the day we take the decisions ourselves, based on our view of whether the review complies with the guidelines.
 
Hopefully this allows us to be pretty consistent.
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2006 at 03:23
JL Ponty dealt with.

Edited by Easy Livin - August 11 2006 at 03:24
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Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

You're thoughts are welcome CT.
 
Don't assume of course that just because a review is referred in the inappropriate reviews thread, it is automatically removed. Atkingani and I are very appreciative of the help we get from this thread, but at the end of the day we take the decisions ourselves, based on our view of whether the review complies with the guidelines.
 
Hopefully this allows us to be pretty consistent.
 
Smile
 
Rereading my comment above, I can see how my criticism of the application of the guidelines looks like a criticism of the moderation, which wasn't my intention...Smile.....keep up the good work...Big smile
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Points: 5851 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2006 at 05:23
I should say that also to myself it have canceled of it a lot of reviews! For some immediately I am myself a lot gotten angry (even if then I included) for other I did not play attention us. However some of those that it have canceled they make laugh, other they are offensive...
 
In my case (and I believe in all of the cases) a review serve to understand how an album id done. I cite three my reviews:
1) King Crimson "The Power To Believe": I given alone 2 stars but I could give it well 5. The problem is that I wanted to underline like there be album that can be voted from 1 to 5 stars without that their value was altered (that in its case is high!).
 
2) Opus Avantra "Lyrics": Is impossible to review an album of the Opus Avantra! In fact I do a summary of how much explained in the booklet, otherwise this review would not exist (like for the same motive not still I wrote that of "Strata"). And yet if I go to see this album be there is still. It means that the mine it was a good opinion to justify the vow and that a lot appreciated it.
 
3) Circus 2000 "Circus 2000": Here I wanted to restore complete a review of the period. Therefore of mine there it was alone the introduction. In this case believe to have done a good service and make that is still in seat gives back myself happy.
 
However it doubt comes me: It is just to do a review where it is put the accent on the comparison between like album even if of different periods?
It would be able to be a matter of Anglagard and Anekdoten where the comparison with the King Crimson is pratically obligatory. For myself itself because I would explain a lot well how the album it is done.
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Points: 46301 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2006 at 00:14
Dear Easy Livin and Guigo, how much can we accuse mr. vsrich , with his Secret World Live review, of babbling nothing much about the album or Gabriel at all, just wrongly connecting him with Genesis or with the genuine classic brand of prog.

Regards, Ricochet. *fingers crossed*
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Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

I found this one by chance, and I can't understand a single word of it:

CURVED AIR — Phantasmagoria

Review by braindamage

5 stars The third work of CURVED AIR released in 1972 "Phantasmagoria". It is an initial highest personally masterpiece. A lot of guests of the jazz system are invited, and a fantastic album like the casket where various music is installed. The work that is excellent progressive music. The reason for the member named Linwood is that this used the family name after Sonja Kristina marries as those who compose though credit is done.


 
Yup, hence the handle "braindamage"
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Dear Easy Livin and Guigo, how much can we accuse mr. vsrich , with his Secret World Live review, of babbling nothing much about the album or Gabriel at all, just wrongly connecting him with Genesis or with the genuine classic brand of prog.

Regards, Ricochet. *fingers crossed*


Seconded. That review is a waste of space.
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http://artrock2006.blogspot.com
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Points: 3278 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2006 at 04:28
Originally posted by Dragon Phoenix Dragon Phoenix wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Dear Easy Livin and Guigo, how much can we accuse mr. vsrich , with his Secret World Live review, of babbling nothing much about the album or Gabriel at all, just wrongly connecting him with Genesis or with the genuine classic brand of prog.

Regards, Ricochet. *fingers crossed*


Seconded. That review is a waste of space.
 
I agree, it just talks of Gensis and how band the secret world is.
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