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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2006 at 04:00
Poor you, Yukorin, I remember that during their tour in 1982 Rush kept me very well awake, in a positive way, great performance, wonderful lightshow and funny cartoons, Thumbs Up !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2006 at 04:43




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2006 at 21:48

Im trying to get who are the supergroups in prog archives, so I take the 3 best rated albums of each band! and according to the archives:

Artist Album Rating Ratings
YES Close to the Edge 4.55 505
Relayer 4.44 289
Fragile 4.43 265
Total 4.473 1059
       
Jethro Tull Thick as a Brick 4.69 256
Aqualung 4.4 140
Songs from the Wood 4.3 77
Total 4.463 473
       
Pink Floyd Wish You Where Here 4.65 296
Dark Side of the Moon 4.57 399
Animals 4.42 258
Total 4.546 953
       
Genesis Selling England By The Pound 4.55 435
Foxtrot 4.62 310
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway 4.47 260
Total 4.546 1005
       
King Crimson In The Court Of The Crimson King 4.51 357
Red 4.42 233
Larks' Tongues in Aspic  4.55 166
Total 4.493 756
       
Rush Moving Pictures 4.52 213
Hemispheres 4.5 158
A Farewell to Kings 4.46 129
Total 4.473 500
       
Gentle Giant In a Glass House 4.55 115
Octopus 4.42 152
Free Hand 4.49 92
Total 4.486 359
       
Van Der Graaf Generator Pawn Hearts 4.43 186
GodBluff 4.51 109
H to He, Who Am the Only One 4.42 98
Total 4.453 393
       
Dream Theater Scenes From A Memory Metropolis Part II  4.23 413
Images And Words  4.2 303
Awake 4.14 189
Total 4.19 909
       
Marillion Script For A Jester's Tear 4.46 151
Misplaced Childhood 4.26 145
Marbles 4.13 130
Total 4.28 426
       
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2006 at 02:44
Sure....what the hell...why not?!  Somehow Queen wound up as a "prog" band so why not guitar-and-drums Rush?
 
I now make a motion for Judas Priest.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2006 at 04:51
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Three quick reactions, two from Greece, remarkably [IMG]height=17 alt=Wink src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> !
About their sales, good point [IMG]height=17 alt="Thumbs Up" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif" width=23 align=absMiddle> !

    

here comes another one...

RUSH RULE ALL..

IMHO, it's the only band worthy of having full discography of...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2006 at 14:04
Originally posted by Yukorin Yukorin wrote:

Now I'm right confused an' I haven't even had a beer yet.

Perusing the Art Rock category I come across Rush. Since when have Rush been Art Rock ? And then VdGG ? ! And, even more bizarrely, KC ? ! ? ! Is the Art Rock category operating as a seperate organism taking whatever bands it fancies from the archives ?



                     Then I went off looking for 10cc and Roxy Music who are Art Rock but the Art Rock category has eaten them and, in an eye-popping moment, replaced them with France's seminal zeuhl outfit 'Xaal'

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well Art Rock is acting ...at least in how I'm reading it... as the de facto 'prog' genre.  It grabs no one.. it is the final resting place for those groups miscategorized like those you mentioned at the top of your post.  King Crimson did one symphonic album... or two if you count the near faximile of the first for their second.  That doesn't make them a 'symphonic group'.  Take for  example Rush, they were  not a symphonic group.. not a Canterbury... a fusion etc..... and the jury is out as to whether they were Prog Related group  or not LOL... sometimes groups cannot be pigeonholed into a nice tidy... SPECIFIC sub-genres.  Not every group belongs in sub genre.. not without creating scores more than we already have. As far as specific screw ups like Xaal.... the site is a work in progress... it'll be cleared up I'm sure.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2006 at 14:12
Originally posted by ldlanberg ldlanberg wrote:

Sure....what the hell...why not?!  Somehow Queen wound up as a "prog" band so why not guitar-and-drums Rush?
I now make a motion for Judas Priest.

    
Priest are very worthy of prog-related consideration, IMHO - good call .


Note that Queen are actually in Prog-Related - ie, somehow not considered a Prog band.

However, in my opinion, that is wrong, and Queen should be categorised as pure Prog for at least 5 of their albums - which should be enough to qualify.

The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2006 at 14:34




Edited by Yukorin - September 14 2006 at 05:53
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2006 at 16:02
That's the thing with Prog Rock-it was something that existed from the turn of the 70s until around 1978 or so.It was an arty "fad" indulged in by certain bands for a relatively short period of time.Look at Genesis,Yes,PFM,Banco,ELP,Queen (for Cert's sake),Tull,Rush,Gentle Giant ETC they all turned away from Prog Rock before the 1980s.Look at how many,literaly dozens,of Italian Prog bands came and went in this time period producing classics of Prog Rock then disappearing when the mood had worn off them.Everyone knew who the Prog Rock bands were and that included Rush.
Rush are a Prog Rock band by virtue of the fact that between 1975 and 1979 they WERE considered to be a Prog Rock band by the Prog Rock "fraternity".
This may sound crazy to some (those who werent around in the 1970s for starters!) but there is a perfectly legitimate argument that says that no band that came into existence after 1978 can possibly be a Prog Rock band.You had to be there at the time.

    
    
    
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2006 at 16:37

This weekend I had a progrock party, also with Dirk, Antennas and Dutch Tony from PA, they all were pleasantly surprised that my joke with BaldFriede about the 1969 Rush Germany tour had worked out so well... LOLRLOLULOLSLOLHLOL .......!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2006 at 16:38




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2006 at 16:42




Edited by Yukorin - September 14 2006 at 05:53
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2006 at 17:00
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

This weekend I had a progrock party, also with Dirk, Antennas and Dutch Tony from PA, they all were pleasantly surprised that my joke with BaldFriede about the 1969 Rush Germany tour had worked out so well... LOLRLOLULOLSLOLHLOL .......!


I must say you have a strange notion about a joke "working out", Erik. I clearly stated that I did not believe it. Had I believed it, would your joke then have failed? No, you would have laughed at me. Then in what way has your joke "worked out"? On the contrary, I think I turned the tables on you with my reaction.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2006 at 18:10
Originally posted by Yukorin Yukorin wrote:

Mickster ! Long time no smell ol' bean ! How the devil are ya ?

      I'm a lil' tipsy so I'm busy posting bollocks as usual

Try callin' KC Art Rock to any of your buddies without laughin' cos you an' I know they ain't buyin' it. If progarchives uses American definitions then I'm lost !

     An earlier poster mentioned Rush were always under HM in the record shop. Concur. And the last time I looked they still are. Not that it matters.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2006 at 18:42
Originally posted by Yukorin Yukorin wrote:

    Erik,


       Are ya knackered man ?


No! I'm Jan Akkerman!









                            Half Man Half Biscuit lyric back in the annals...)
I found that quite funny. I think you should "post bollocks" more often, if these are the kinds of bollocks you come up with.. :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2006 at 18:48

Yes, a wonderful funny embellishment of this often serious (for some too deadly serious) topic, I love those play of words, the late Syd Barrett was a master in it!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2006 at 02:46
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:


This may sound crazy to some (those who werent around in the 1970s for starters!) but there is a perfectly legitimate argument that says that no band that came into existence after 1978 can possibly be a Prog Rock band.You had to be there at the time.
    


Time to illegitimise that argument...
     
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2006 at 04:12
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:


This may sound crazy to some (those who werent around in the 1970s for starters!) but there is a perfectly legitimate argument that says that no band that came into existence after 1978 can possibly be a Prog Rock band.You had to be there at the time.
    


Time to illegitimise that argument...
     


Go Cert....
    
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2006 at 05:21

No Prog Rock after 1978, Tony R?

Just listen to what these bands (out of my head) created after 1978: Bacamarte/Ange/Twelfth Night/Ozric Tentacles/Edhels/Nemo ...

And some bands started as clones but managed to create an own sound like .. Rush, Anekdoten, Porcupine Tree... to name a few.

To me their music doesn't sound regressive, it's (very) distinctive progressive music, not mainly based upon the Seventies prog!



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