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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Epignosis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 16:35
My question wasn't about ratings or if kids could play certain games.

My question is this (to make it very simple):

If a game came out where you were to plan and conduct a school shooting, killing children, teachers, and parents, would you play (and/or enjoy) it?

If yes, then what if you were permitted to rape anyone in the game as well?

If no, then why not?  And why is GTA okay with you?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JLocke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 16:41
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

My question wasn't about ratings or if kids could play certain games.

My question is this (to make it very simple):

If a game came out where you were to plan and conduct a school shooting, killing children, teachers, and parents, would you play (and/or enjoy) it?

If yes, then what if you were permitted to rape anyone in the game as well?

If no, then why not?  And why is GTA okay with you?

I probably wouldn't. Not because I think it's ''wrong'' or ''dangerous'', or anything like that. I just don't see the appeal of playing a child rapist/murderder in a video game. Now, if I could play a character like that in a film or a play? Hell yeah, sign me up! I would love to see if I had the acting chops to pull such a role off! But as a concept for a video game, I personally couldn't care less about it. I would still support it being made, however. 

And GTA is okay with me, because it's fun for me to jump off of tall buildings or out of airplanes without dying. And killing innocent citizens isn't the only thing you are allowed/encouraged to do in there; it's more varied than that. It just suits me better as something I would find more broadly entertaining. But both games are 'okay' with me, I just would prefer to play one over the other, that's all. Go virtually rape and slaughter kids 'till your little heart's content, I don't care. LOL


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We can't possibly say if we would enjoy it. That is dependant on the quality of the game, not the premise.
I don't believe in censorship though so I'll *try* anything. Anything at all. Whether I'll like it I can't say.
 
I think people who draw a connection between a person's morality and the content of the art they are a consumer of are making a mistake.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Marty McFly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 17:11
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I have a question for you gamers (particularly GTA players)- something I was thinking about for a while:

Video games- no matter what kind- appeal to our sense of fantasy, whether we play the role of a WW2 soldier or an Italian plumber.  Games like GTA provide the fantasy of criminality.  It is just a game, however, and no one is really getting murdered.  Sure you ran over 12 civilians and shot 11 policemen, but it's just a game, and these sprites don't really have grieving families to mourn their loss.  Yet you get the satisfaction of being a bloodthirsty murderer.

I have not played GTA (after 2) but I've watched my brother play them.  Yes, I think getting more health by banging a hooker is bizarre, but no more bizarre, I suppose, as gathering hearts.  But if I recall, there are no (obvious) children in the game.  And if there were children, would they be invincible from your hail of gunfire?  Why should they be?  Would it be acceptable for a company to release a game where the object is to go to your high school and kill as many students and staff members as possible?

Or, since this was mentioned in the news a few months back, what do you think about games that simulate rape?  Legally, murder is a worse crime than rape, but it would seem most folk frown upon such a game more than one that allows you to take the lives of bystanders.  Something must be "sick" or "wrong" with people who play rape video games, but nothing is "sick" or "wrong" with people who play games that simulate mass murder.

Is this an absurd double standard in the video game industry, or is there some reason it is the way it is?

I know JLocke and I talked about this once before. 

So, your thoughts?

Good thinking dear Robert.

I am quite calm person in real life. I however enjoy killing in various GTA (3-VC-SA). I was driving my chopper once around the block, roaming streets, side shooting (with uzi) everyone I saw. I was doing this for hours and must have killed thousands of people.

Yeah, I like virtual blood. I enjoyed Postal 2 a lot. I know, controversial game, but I used to like it. I haven't played it for few years now, so I don't know how I like it now, but ... it was great game. Pushing boundaries of virtual brutality.


Simulate rape ? I saw this game Rapelay in Top Most Controversial games once. It's maybe the one you mention. It's considered as more sick than killing. After all, when you're playing as WW2 soldier, you are soldier. When you're playing Painkiller, you're killing hell spawn demons and monsters. When you're playing Warhammer 40k - Dawn of War, you destroy chaos mutants and other aliens.

When you're real life soldier, you maybe sometimes kill people, because it's your order. As you have orders in majority of games (only small number of them are sandbox, open world as GTA's are). 

But you don't rape, that's it. Killing seems like natural part of games, most of them are more or less brutal. 

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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

My question wasn't about ratings or if kids could play certain games.

My question is this (to make it very simple):

If a game came out where you were to plan and conduct a school shooting, killing children, teachers, and parents, would you play (and/or enjoy) it?

If yes, then what if you were permitted to rape anyone in the game as well?

If no, then why not?  And why is GTA okay with you?


I doubt that I would play it, but if other people wanted to, that's fine by me. Smile

And GTA is okay with me because (a) it's an awesome game series, (b) your character can either be good or bad. In your description, this is just a game that is morally wrong. In GTA, you can choose the way your character acts, and I like that.

With that said, I might play a game that involves something along those lines. As in, a killer is on the loose who conducted a school shooting, and you're trying to find them. Something like that I'd be okay with. I can't stand death metal lyrics that encourage senselessly murdering people, but I'm fine with storylines that talk about murder. The same thing applies here for me.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote J-Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2010 at 17:50
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

 
That's the problem. Most parents don't realize that their kids are mature enough to experience the game. They look at the box, read "Ages 17+" and put the game back right back where they found it.

Then, that's the parents' fault. Not the ESRB or the retailers'.


Basically what I'm saying is that it's the parent's responsibility, not the ESRB's.

There are plenty of informative (much more informative than ESRB labels) websites out there that parents can look at. Putting a label on every video game and limiting the sales to certain people seems like a pretty poor solution. It just gives parents a predetermined opinion about the games, without even knowing the content inside of it.

I agree with you, for the most part. But here it is: we live in the real world. The real world is full of idiots. Do we agree so far?

Okay, now . . . idiots who think rock music, comic books and now video games are the devil will never go away. There will always be some group of crazies trying to silence freedom of expression in the name of decency. You have two choices. Either put up with the labeling system and age restrictions, or learn to deal with everything being censored. I don;t know about you, but I'm choosing option one. 

Is it the parents' responsibility? Of course!!! But I realize that something has to be in place to appease certain groups of people, and for right now, the age restrictions and ratings systems make sense to me. Do I agree with them morally? Perhaps not, but I'm not going to worry about it, either. As long as movies and games don't star getting honest-to-goodness ''censored'', I'm fine with things the way they are.

The FCC is a deplorable group. The ESRP and MPAA are not, in my opinion. They are just doing their jobs.


That's a good point - I agree with you. I would take labeling over full-blown censorship any day. I don't agree with the entire idea of labeling content, but you're right - I highly doubt that will ever go away.

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hol sh*t, way to steal the entire thread :P


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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

hol sh*t, way to steal the entire thread :P




That certainly wasn't my intention, but I didn't think I needed to begin a new thread on the subject.  I really am not sure of my opinion and just wanted to hear what other avid gamers had to say.
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I probably wouldn't play it because I'd find it tasteless, and most likely boring. LOL I don't think I'd mind much if it existed.

I have never had the chance to play GTA at all.
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Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

I probably wouldn't play it because I'd find it tasteless, and most likely boring. LOL


There's actually a lot of truth to that. A game like that could be REALLY boring. LOL

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Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

I probably wouldn't play it because I'd find it tasteless, and most likely boring. LOL


There's actually a lot of truth to that. A game like that could be REALLY boring. LOL


f**k you clowns.

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I would rather play a game where you do the same thing with kittens and neo-proggers
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

I would rather play a game where you do the same thing with kittens and neo-proggers

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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

I would rather play a game where you do the same thing with kittens and neo-proggers


Okay, so how exactly you do kittens AND neo-proggers at the same time?
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Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:


Okay, now . . . idiots who think rock music, comic books and now video games are the devil will never go away.


Oooh, that's given me an idea.

Varg: the Game

You play Varg Vikernes in a comic book style and go around burning churches and murdering band members.  Plus there is a mini-game a la Guitar Hero where you have to learn Black Metal tunes on different instruments.

That'd get the censors going...
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^ Now, I would actually play that one! Anybody feel like pitching the idea to Ubisoft? 
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Why Ubisoft?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Slartibartfast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2010 at 08:46
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

My question wasn't about ratings or if kids could play certain games.

My question is this (to make it very simple):

If a game came out where you were to plan and conduct a school shooting, killing children, teachers, and parents, would you play (and/or enjoy) it?

If yes, then what if you were permitted to rape anyone in the game as well?

If no, then why not?  And why is GTA okay with you?

Not really.  It just doesn't sound like it would be a fun game.  Having said that, I really enjoyed Carmageddon where you got to run over people
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GTA doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. I'm not a wannabe thugsta. Same goes for those Mafia games ... Bah. 
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Originally posted by TheClosing TheClosing wrote:

GTA doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. I'm not a wannabe thugsta. Same goes for those Mafia games ... Bah. 


I'm not a wannabe Italian plumber, but I'll still play Mario.  Tongue
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