QUEEN on progarchives

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Holy Smokes!  How could I have been so stupid?!  I should have known, what with my having had over 25 years of music theory, piano and drums, having been a professional musician since the age of 9, having been steeped in prog since the word was coined, having grown up not only on prog but on the groups from which prog sprang and the other genres of music that influenced prog (including classical, jazz, neo-classical, blues, country and non-Western misic), having studied, seriously, the history of popular music from 1959 to the present for over 30 years, having been a Queen fan since SHA and considering them among the greatest rock bands of their era, and having a CD collection of over 1000 titles, at least 1/10 to 1/8 of which are prog.

How could I have been so stupid to have missed the fact that Queen were prog?!  Foolish me!

I think I'l just go eat some worms...

he he!!!! 

Oh my God.   

QUEEN band gave us perfect examples that “never go so far…” commercially speaking... They over exploited: Freddie’s illness with “Innuendo” (1991) and Freddie’s memory with “Made in Heaven” (1995), the only band with a post-mortem record.  Consequently, they’ve erased with their asses the rest of Progressive Rock and respect that the world could award them. Let’s bury them… or help to R.I.P. They don't fit in a "Progressive Site".

WOW....YOU MUST BE KIDDING ME????????? ARE YOU ACTUALLY TELLING ME THAT MEMBERS ON THIS SITE HAVE CLOSED MINDS!?!?!?!................WOW, I WOULD HAVE NEVR GUESSED.....THIS STRONG REACTION AGAINST QUEEN IS SOOOOOOOOOOO SHOCKING...OH MY GOD WHAT ARE WE TO DO!!??!?!?!

LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT I FOUGHT FOR THE RIGHT FOR QUEEN TO BE ON THIS SITE......WHY???..........CAUSE THEY DESERVE THE RECOGNITION!!!!!!............I FEEL SOMEWHAT RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THIS SINCE THIS SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN THE RESULT OF MY THREAD. ........I FOUGHT TO HAVE THEM ON AND I SHALL FIGHT TO KEEP THEM ON......

.............HAHAHA THIS IS KINDA LIKE....."WHAT, THEY'RE LETTING WHO INTO MY COUNTRY CLUB???????????"..............MOVE ON PEOPLE, TIMES ARE CHANGING!!..........

Proglover:

If you are reffering to me as closed-minded, you proceed from false assumption in two regards.

First, I took no position on the inclusion of Radiohead, and ended up supporting it, despite not being a Radiohead fan.  I took no position on the inclusion of Dream Theater, and ended up supporting it, despite not being a particularly big DT fan.  Indeed, I have supported the inclusion of the entire subcategory of Prog Metal, despite not being a particularly big prog metal fan.  I have argued against the inclusion of bands who have been here for a while (including Supertramp) and for the inclusion of bands who are not here (including XTC).  Thus, I am, in fact, quite open-minded.

Second, being closed-minded about the addition of any band would almost presume that I do not have the requisite knowledge of either prog or that particular band to take such a position, or that I flat-out do not like that band.  All of these would be errors.  I am as well-versed in the history of prog as anyone on the site.  I own all of Queen's albums through DATR, and have been a Queen fan - a huge Queen fan - since you were in diapers.

Thus, any accusation that I am closed-minded about this issue is patently absurd.  I have a very open mind, I am extremely knowledgeable about prog, and I am a huge Queen fan.  And it is because of all of these things that I continue to believe that the inclusion of Queen on this site is a mistake; that Queen were not and are not prog, except for occasional songs on occasional albums.

Peace.

First off maani.....I WAS NOT IN ANY WAY REFERRING TO YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

If I have said it once I have said it a million times......MUSIC MUST OVERRIDE BAND.....PERIOD.....if not you all who are against Queen's inclusion are hypocrites....

LONG LIVE PROGRESSIVE MUSIC AND DOWN WITH THIS SILLY IDEOLOGY OF PROGRESSIVE BANDS.....

THERE ARE NO PROGRESSIVE BANDS....ONLY PROGRESSIVE MUSIC...

And yes, to ignore the progressive tendencies of Queen simply because they were popular or any other half-ass reason I've read in this forum is INDEED CLOSE MINDED and quite ELITIST!!......

NNJF:

Believe it or not, it is not a matter of my being right.  It is my love of and concern for the site and its direction and future that are driving me right now.  Keep in mind that I have spent almost two years working with and supporting Max and Rony in a unique position.  And I joined this site, and agreed to become an integral, "inner circle" member because I believed in and supported their "vision," about which we (and especially Max and myself) have had myriad discussions.

Thus, perhaps you don't understand the level of shock and betrayal I feel to see them compromising that vision, a vision that I have spent two years actively, aggressively supporting.  It is not about making the archives "elitist," or not adding new bands, or anything else.  It is about a principle - and everyone here knows how big I am on principle, whether it is political, spiritual or musical.

Yes, I know I'm right.  But even if everyone - including Cert, tuxon and the few others in the rabid minority - bowed down and said, "Oh yes, Holy One, you are right, and we are mistaken to have believed that Queen is an appropriate addition to the site," this would not change my feelings of shock and betrayal.  Nor am I suggesting some sort of "ultimatum" to Max and Rony: "Either remove Queen from the site or...........else."  It is simply going to take me a very, very long time to adjust to the sadness I feel at where I see the site going - and I warned Max and Rony this would be the case if they allowed members to add bands and albums.  My fears are being borne out right in front of me.

Yes, I'll get over it.  And I don't plan to leave the site.  But like richardh, Jim Garten, Tony R and other very long-term veterans of the site, my "excitement" and "super" feeling about the site have gone from a boil to a simmer, and I doubt that it will boil again.

Peace.

Maani:

I understand.  I have nowhere near the time nor energy invested in this site like you, so I understand these things hit you harder.  But while I agree Queen has absolutely no place here, what can on do, other than put one's energies into other positive prog-related additions for the site. 

But your vehement anti-queen campaign has been quite entertaining and truthful.

maani wrote: Yes, I know I'm right.  But even if everyone - including Cert, tuxon and the few others in the rabid minority - bowed down and said, "Oh yes, Holy One, you are right, and we are mistaken to have believed that Queen is an appropriate addition to the site," this would not change my feelings of shock and betrayal.

So you think I have betrayed you?

In what way? I've said I think Queen belongs to the site for over a year now, wouldn't betrayal be if I openly was against it all the time and then adding them when the chance arose.

I'm shocked about your attitude towards me, and I don't think I like the manner you try to convince people by belitteling others, and claiming you are an authority on the subject, and adversivly saying that others can't be right.

of course you were there when prog came into being, and you fully understand each possible aspect that make up progressive rock, and of course you are in the inner sanctum that make up what progressive rock entails, you probably invented the genre.

I don't make such claims, all i'm trying to say is that IMO Queen made Art Progressive Rock from the day they originated, delibretly moving into progressive rock with Queen II, and after A Day At The Races they turned into more commercial rock formats, because that's a part of progressive rock aswell, exploring new territory, they did that to the extreme with Hot Space, of course on itself Hot Space is hardly progressive, but in the total picture of albums Queen made, i'd say it's a daring effort to do this, and though that album is not particularly good, it still is worthy of some respect.

Anyway I won't bow down over the arguments I've heard so far, hardly arguments, just emotional pleading against something you obviously don't like.