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Points: 221 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2013 at 10:57
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I mind that people take offense too easily and too readily. There are many things in this world that are truely offensive and people should be offended by them, being offended should be reserved for those truely offensive things so they are not trivialised....Conversely I don't hold with "freedom's a peach" banner that you have no right not to be offended - there are many things you have no right not to be offended by, and there are things that you have the right not to be offended by, and there are things that you have no right to be offended by and there are things that you have the right to be offended by.

Individuals are the arbiter of what offends them, and statements of "shoulds" and rights in the matter makes no difference to that.

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If I said your comment comes from ignorance I have not called you ignorant

The first proposition implies the second, necessarily and by definition. The second proposition can remain unspoken and its meaning still be ascertained adequately by the listener. 

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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2013 at 11:01
Originally posted by Ajay Ajay wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I mind that people take offense too easily and too readily. There are many things in this world that are truely offensive and people should be offended by them, being offended should be reserved for those truely offensive things so they are not trivialised....Conversely I don't hold with "freedom's a peach" banner that you have no right not to be offended - there are many things you have no right not to be offended by, and there are things that you have the right not to be offended by, and there are things that you have no right to be offended by and there are things that you have the right to be offended by.

Individuals are the arbiter of what offends them, and statements of "shoulds" and rights in the matter makes no difference to that.

 


Individuals are idiots.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Ajay Ajay wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I mind that people take offense too easily and too readily. There are many things in this world that are truely offensive and people should be offended by them, being offended should be reserved for those truely offensive things so they are not trivialised....Conversely I don't hold with "freedom's a peach" banner that you have no right not to be offended - there are many things you have no right not to be offended by, and there are things that you have the right not to be offended by, and there are things that you have no right to be offended by and there are things that you have the right to be offended by.

Individuals are the arbiter of what offends them, and statements of "shoulds" and rights in the matter makes no difference to that.

 


Individuals are idiots.

What do you mean? Like, they can't think for themselves?
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Points: 9869 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2013 at 11:39
Originally posted by Ajay Ajay wrote:


Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


If I said your comment comes from ignorance I have not called you ignorant

The first proposition implies the second, necessarily and by definition. The second proposition can remain unspoken and its meaning still be ascertained adequately by the listener. 



Please explain how.  

The word 'ignorant' can be used into two contexts.

a) Lacking awareness or knowledge in general
b) Lacking knowledge or awareness about something in particular.

When it is said that a comment comes from ignorance and it can be reasonably inferred from the context of the conversation that ignorance here refers to ignorance about something specific, would it still follow that the person had been called ignorant in a general sense? 
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Individuals are idiots.

I'm really tired of your snipy attitude. Is there some moderator I should contact or is Dean the exemplar of moderator attitudes around here?
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Originally posted by Ajay Ajay wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

 
Individuals are idiots.

I'm really tired of your snipy attitude. Is there some moderator I should contact or is Dean the exemplar of moderator attitudes around here?
Confused 
 
 
Gee, thanks for the support.
 
 
 
 
 
/edit: btw - I don't moderate here - I removed the words "Forum Moderator" from my title several months ago because basically I'm crap at it and I gain no enjoyment from chastising adults for behaving like children.


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Originally posted by Ajay Ajay wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

I mind that people take offense too easily and too readily. There are many things in this world that are truely offensive and people should be offended by them, being offended should be reserved for those truely offensive things so they are not trivialised....Conversely I don't hold with "freedom's a peach" banner that you have no right not to be offended - there are many things you have no right not to be offended by, and there are things that you have the right not to be offended by, and there are things that you have no right to be offended by and there are things that you have the right to be offended by.

Individuals are the arbiter of what offends them, and statements of "shoulds" and rights in the matter makes no difference to that.
That's what I said didn't I?
Originally posted by Ajay Ajay wrote:


Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


If I said your comment comes from ignorance I have not called you ignorant

The first proposition implies the second, necessarily and by definition. The second proposition can remain unspoken and its meaning still be ascertained adequately by the listener. 
Yes and No. The "from ignorance" comes from "argument from ignorance" - a fallacy of informal logic - in the context it is used it means that the person who made the original comment was ignorant of all the facts necessary to make the comment - that is not the same as being called ignorant in the general sense. Many audiophilists claims are made from ignorance, (of the technical details necessary to make those claims), but those people are far from ignorant (in general terms) ergo they are not ignoramuses.
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Originally posted by Ajay Ajay wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

 
Individuals are idiots.

I'm really tired of your snipy attitude. Is there some moderator I should contact or is Dean the exemplar of moderator attitudes around here?
 
C'mon Ajay ... there are Socialists, Communists, Prog'ists and then others ... wo what's the issue? This America the country of the free ... wll, at least they say it, but check out that cartoon on USA Today about Rosa Parks ... !!! Very with it.
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Originally posted by Ajay Ajay wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

 
Individuals are idiots.

I'm really tired of your snipy attitude. 

I really don't give a damn what you are tired of.
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Originally posted by Ajay Ajay wrote:


Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

 
Individuals are idiots.
I'm really tired of your snipy attitude. Is there some moderator I should contact or is Dean the exemplar of moderator attitudes around here?


Well I am here but I am struggling to know what your complaint is. Looks like I am ignorant of the offence.
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Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

Peart, because I think he's a bad and mildly right-wing lyricist, he has one on the atomic bomb that deeply offends me


Interesting. Presumably you are referring to Manhatten Project. In what way do you find the lyrics offensive?


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Originally posted by Jonathan Jonathan wrote:

Yep, "It's Mahattan Project". But I'm not offended by the lyrics though since I don't think Neil was trying to condone anything bad. But I respect people that are offended by the song though.


I don't.


How can you respect the fact that he is offended by the song without knowing why he's offended?

Of course you might just be trying to make a point but I suggest you do that more maturely in future.
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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Originally posted by Jonathan Jonathan wrote:

Yep, "It's Mahattan Project". But I'm not offended by the lyrics though since I don't think Neil was trying to condone anything bad. But I respect people that are offended by the song though.


I don't.


How can you respect the fact that he is offended by the song without knowing why he's offended?

Of course you might just be trying to make a point but I suggest you do that more maturely in future.

You make a good point and maturity is not my forte. It was knee jerk reaction I admit . I just found it a strange comment.

I respect people that are offended by the song

why should I respect that? Confused Smile
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This thread is getting warmer, thankfully.
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'Manhattan Project' ??    It is clearly not supportive of the experiments and attitudes of the atomic era, and turns a suspicious eye toward those who thought building a doomsday device was wise.  

This is the 'Suicide Solution' complex, where a song that is commenting on - even criticizing - a subject is misunderstood to be provocative.

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Points: 841 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2013 at 06:58
Irony and sarcasm in lyrics are too often lost on people. Sadly.
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Originally posted by Jonathan Jonathan wrote:

I find these lyrics from "The Planets" by Flaming Youth to be controversial.
 
"Mackie's gone on rubber, while our Debbie digs her brother
And their Des is doing well on the game"
 
The lyrics in bold are the ones that confuse me the most. What does it mean?
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Points: 17496 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2013 at 15:19
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Ajay Ajay wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

 
Individuals are idiots.

I'm really tired of your snipy attitude. 

I really don't give a damn what you are tired of.
 
Individualist!!!!!  Big smile
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Ajay Ajay wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

 
Individuals are idiots.

I'm really tired of your snipy attitude. 

I really don't give a damn what you are tired of.
 
Individualist!!!!!  Big smile

LOL LOL LOL
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I've seen some pretty nasty debates about Maynard James Keenan's lyrics on Youtube.
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