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Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Good gracious, I got told off.  Shocked LOL

Originally posted by Rune2000 Rune2000 wrote:

Even though I completely disagree with Epignosis' opinion of the album it still feels unfair to call him out just like it was done in this review:

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=283746


Thanks for reporting that Rune.  It's never a good idea to write a "retaliatory" review.

I read your review as I wrote mine (and I looked at the 7 other five star reviews, or whatever it was), and I keep asking myself as I listened, "What in the world are these guys hearing that I'm not?"

But it still sounds awful to me.  No, I have not listened to it 30+ times as our reviewer would implicitly require of us.  LOL

And the funny thing is, I actually like several avant-prog albums, but I do not care for this one, no.

Who was it ? Who is this rating manipulator ?



"Torque sign" was the name, but Easy Money said this was a person with five user names.
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^ they're all gone now, all 5 of this guy's personalities had a thing against Transatlantic's Whirlwind and Rob's taste in music , comments dropped in threads occasionally etc.
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Wow, Vompatti wrote his first review ever, and it's excellent! Clap
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Embarrassed
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This member hasn't posted a review since December last year so I wasn't familiar with them. I initially thought this Black Sabbath review was going to be based on a mathematical formula, but all is revealed later in the review. It's a tad vulgar, but actually quite funny. I enjoyed the quote about the grandmother's bathroom in particular. Some of Alitare's other 1-star reviews are entertaining as well. After a string of great albums, I gave up on Sabbath with the disappointing (for me) Sabotage. I don't know the album in the review, but judging from Sabotage, one star might be about right for this one:
 
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Wow, Vompatti wrote his first review ever, and it's excellent! Clap
Very cool review - sent a PM
 
keep this up - you have an insightful observative perspective.
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Wow, Vompatti wrote his first review ever, and it's excellent! Clap
 
Yep, it's a goody! Clap
 
Wonder when Henry will get round to a review... or akamaisondufromage... a Gong or Hawkwind review would be nice Wink
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Originally posted by seventhsojourn seventhsojourn wrote:

 
Wonder when Henry will get round to a review...
 
Expect one or two stars reviews Tongue
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Originally posted by Tsevir Leirbag Tsevir Leirbag wrote:

Originally posted by seventhsojourn seventhsojourn wrote:

 
Wonder when Henry will get round to a review...
 
Expect one or two stars reviews Tongue
 
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Um... just picking up on the spate of 'ratings manipulation' reports here... I don't really think it's all that wrong, given the ratings system is mostly subjective anyway, and also, where do you draw the line? If someone wavers down on a half-star rating because an album is well-rated or wavers up because it's low-rated, is that ratings manipulation?

While I don't really do it, and I think it's a bit disingenuous, I really don't think that someone who is at least trying to make a contribution deserves a ban threat for something so petty and (anyway) more or less unidentifiable unless self-declared.
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^ wavering up or down half-a-star isn't in the same league as deliberately marking down 2 stars and admitting to doing it because the averge is "too high".
 
If someone thinks an album is worthy of 3 stars then that's what it deserves - marking it a 1-star is effectively saying to someone who gave it 5-stars "your opinion is worthless - I'm stealing 2 of your stars"
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ wavering up or down half-a-star isn't in the same league as deliberately marking down 2 stars and admitting to doing it because the averge is "too high".
 
If someone thinks an album is worthy of 3 stars then that's what it deserves - marking it a 1-star is effectively saying to someone who gave it 5-stars "your opinion is worthless - I'm stealing 2 of your stars"


This makes reviewing albums totally like Mario Party!  LOL
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I think that there couldn't be any written rules about this subject. I suppose it's about personal decision in each case, using heart with brain in cooperation. Half star isn't that bad. I rated very few albums with very low rating, but it was never because I would like to see them lower in charts.

I admit that I once felt this need, but I was beginner here. About in first month of reviewing I once wanted to do this, but never actually did it.
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I admit I'm taking rather extreme vs. very minor examples here, but still, I think the ban's a bit much, given there is almost no act of personal vitriol or bad writing that can get you that here.
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I don't know whether a ban is too strong or not - unfortunately that is the only retribution open to us when some one is deliberately trying to rigg the ratings.
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maybe a ratings war is in order, quid pro quo;  you intentionally lower my rating, I'll intentionally raise one of yours
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I think that the overall rating of a record may influence the rating I would give within a narrow range and I feel free to do so when this happens.
 
For instance: Suppose that I would rate both Pawn Hearts (VdGG) and Suits (Fish) between 3.5 and 3.9 stars. In this case I would give Pawn Hearts a 3-star rating because I think it's a bit overrated and I would give Suits a 4-star rating because I think it's embarrassingly underrated.
 
However, when I would rate an album a full star more or less than it actually deserves, the review police has a good reason to turn out and arrest me.
 
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Can someone give me a general impression they have of my reviews? I want to improve on some of the existing ones, and have a better quality on futre ones.
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I agree with you Chris (from the Reporting thread....trying to be good by bringing it hereBig smile)

One star reviews are fine....but a reviewer should never give a one-star judgement after only one play.  A band deserves a little better than that after months of work.  Not to mention our readers.
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Hey everyone. I've posted 13 reviews of mainly jazz fusion and canterbury on PA so far.  I'm admittedly a George Starostin/John Mcferrin review junkie so my reviews are very in-depth and lengthy. I also take their stance of reviewing the emotional resonance I get from each album I listen to rather than the musical complexities and such. (Frankly, I have no knowledge of musical theory)
 
Anyway, I would love to have my reviews critiqued and picked apart for the benefit of improving my writing style, which may or may not be good.
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