Jimi Hendrix added to proto-prog

Logan wrote: I don't think saying that "Jazz is an important ingredient  (and influence) of much prog" is an exaggeration.  You'll find jazz stylings in a great deal of music that is included in the archives from various categories.

Like Cynic; as a very good example of how widespread the jazz influences have been taken.

^ Listen to any live King Crimson with Bruford, Cross and Wetton lately. Not 'jazz' but definitley jazz fusion.

Edited by Easy Money - April 15 2009 at 13:46

Easy Money wrote: ^ Listen to any live King Crimson with Bruford, Cross and Wetton lately. Not 'jazz' but definitley jazz fusion.

Easy Money wrote: ^ Not me, if you read my intro you will know that The Experience is clearly part of the early London proto-prog scene (musically and socially) and needed to be added so that PA had a musicologically correct proto-prog section. I'm not interested in adding too many more people to PA except essential progressive JR/F artists.

Why has my suggestion for JIMSAKU in the collaborators section been largely ignored?
Atavachron provided a couple of excellent links to youtube videos of this phenomenal duo if anyone wants to check it out.It`s in the bands under evaluation in the collaborator section.

StaLaZyn, I didn't say all Prog, I said much Prog.  And there are a great many Prog bands, and Prog musicians, that have jazz as an important ingredient/ influence.  Others have noted categories where it's prevalent.  I mostly listen to RIO/Avant, Canterbury, Zeuhl, and Jazz-Rock, as well as much RPI (plus many from Eclectic that jazz had a significant influence on -- I'd include really big names like Gentle Giant).  One of my favourites is symph is one of the big names in Prog, Focus, and you can't tell me that jazz was not significant to their music.  One reason why I'm not so keen on Neo-Prog is because I find it lacking in obvious jazz stylings/ elements (though it still owes much to jazz methinks).  There are also many progressive rock bands that are on the metal side that incorporate jazz elements (not just dabble).

Jazz had a very significant effect on Prog, which one can find in the music of many of the biggest names names such as Yes, King Crimson, ELP, VdGG, Gentle Giant, Focus etc.  I've long looked at Prog in a fairly pure form as rock that was quite dominatly a hybridisation of jazz composition and technique, academic music and rock.  Those who complain of noodling in Prog can blame that to quite an extent on the jazz influence.  Rhythmically, definitely a common jazz influence (a great many jazzy drummers in Prog). 

For someone to imply that jazz is not a significant element and/or influence of much Prog just boggles my mind.

EDITED for typos.


Edited by Logan - April 15 2009 at 14:53

I'm starting to wonder if someone needs to mention why Jazz Rock / Fusion is included at PA, and not Jazz.
And here's why - this is a progressive ROCK music site. Therefore musiques that are considered as part of the Rock "scene" can be included in PA if they display a progressive bent or approach. So those who melded jazz & rock influences play jazz rock, in some cases called fusion, as it added other stylings to these two. Thus Miles Davis is here for his Jazz Rock & Fusion albums, not for his straight jazz releases. You may have noticed that Dave Brubeck, Duke Ellington, and Charlie Parker are not.
The same way that Bob Dylan, Phil Ochs, and Pete Seeger are not in Prog Folk.
Others cases in support - Napalm Death is not in Extreme/Tech metal. Motorhead neither. Foreigner is nowhere to be found in crossover. Yanni is not in Symphonic. The John Tesh Experience is not in JZ/F.
SO please, claiming that SRV should be here because Jimi is , that is just not a reasonable assumption if you , hopefully, know anything about each's music.  Hendrix's influence on SRV was strictly the blues aspect. SRV did not take, nor even pretend to try and build on Jimi's experimentalism.
The same way that the Beatles took some pointers from, Buddy Holly. But no one would dare claim that a song like Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds came from being influenced by Holly's music. Would they ?
So please, apples and washing machines are not meant to be compared , O.K.


Edited by debrewguy - April 15 2009 at 15:12

Dave Brubeck's "Blue Rondo a la Turk" can be heard in a number of Prog pieces. He should be here.

Edited by StyLaZyn - April 15 2009 at 15:09

^ Most of The Nice's Ars Long Vista Brevis was written by Bach, I guess Bach should be here too??? No way!

Getting off-topic, it would be problematic, but I would quite like to see a category devoted to "exemplary" non-rock progressive artists/ bands that had a significant impact on Prog bands and styles.  One problem is setting temporal limits and deciding which is significant enough -- would one stick to modern artists (say 1950 and up?).  I did so want to see Coltrane added, but he would need a non-rock category.  Really, an article would suffice, the other could become a monster and would be very difficult to manage.

Logan wrote: Getting off-topic, it would be problematic, but I would quite like to see a category devoted to "exemplary" non-rock progressive artists/ bands that had a significant impact on Prog bands and styles.  One problem is setting temporal limits and deciding which is significant enough -- would one stick to modern artists (say 1950 and up?).  I did so want to see Coltrane added, but he would need a non-rock category.  Really, an article would suffice, the other could become a monster and would be very difficult to manage.

off topic is a good place... and that beats men fondling their man-tits anyday