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micky
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Posted: January 13 2008 at 17:39 |
Lionheart wrote:
Well, I think that foreign language music can be a bit more work to listen to, but that's simply because I don't understand the language itself (unless it's italian or spanish, which I can understand for the most part).
I wouldn't say that foreign vocalists ruin my experience, though. |
the OP had a point in another thread though... vocalists CAN ruin though... he got YS on my recommend and was .... let down.. not for the music which was ACE... but the vocal styling of Leone which (like much of Italian prog ) was operatic and overwrought.. it wasn't the language.. but the way they sang it. I love it.. but it isn't for everyone.
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Atkingani
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Posted: January 13 2008 at 17:44 |
micky wrote:
Lionheart wrote:
Well, I think that foreign language music can be a bit more work to listen to, but that's simply because I don't understand the language itself (unless it's italian or spanish, which I can understand for the most part).
I wouldn't say that foreign vocalists ruin my experience, though. |
the OP had a point in another thread though... vocalists CAN ruin though... he got YS on my recommend and was .... let down.. not for the music which was ACE... but the vocal styling of Leone which (like much of Italian prog ) was operatic and overwrought.. it wasn't the language.. but the way they sang it.
I love it.. but it isn't for everyone.
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That's the reason I like enough Henryk Cabanes of REALE ACCADEMIA... he's a Spaniard singing in Italian, much less dramatic and operatic, no? 
Anyway, Premoli & Mussida even being Italian are soft singers too.
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micky
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Posted: January 13 2008 at 17:49 |
Atkingani wrote:
micky wrote:
Lionheart wrote:
Well, I think that foreign language music can be a bit more work to listen to, but that's simply because I don't understand the language itself (unless it's italian or spanish, which I can understand for the most part).
I wouldn't say that foreign vocalists ruin my experience, though. |
the OP had a point in another thread though... vocalists CAN ruin though... he got YS on my recommend and was .... let down.. not for the music which was ACE... but the vocal styling of Leone which (like much of Italian prog ) was operatic and overwrought.. it wasn't the language.. but the way they sang it.
I love it.. but it isn't for everyone.
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That's the reason I like enough Henryk Cabanes of REALE ACCADEMIA... he's a Spaniard singing in Italian, much less dramatic and operatic, no? 
Anyway, Premoli & Mussida even being Italian are soft singers too.
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oh yes... I do love the overwrought and operatic.. but there are those out there that aren't... PFM being the best example... and Battiato different as well . I love the way he sings.
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crimson87
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Posted: February 16 2008 at 14:59 |
Well I `m from Argentina (guess what language do I speak?)* and the answer to the MAIN question is:
NO , FOREIGN VACALISTS DO NOT RUIN MY PROG EXPERIENCE
However I have found that many of the reviewers perspective towards South american prog ( as an example) is dissorted just for the language barrier. The typical coment is: "... by the way the lyrics are in spanish".How could you not give Invisible albums 5 or 4 stars just for that?
* Argentina is not part of Brazil
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burritounit
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Posted: February 16 2008 at 17:23 |
It's really hard for to listen to foreign vocals since here we only speak Spanish or English and not because they're not good it's just because I can't understand them, but still that won't make me think that they aren't any good just cause it sings in a language not similar to mine.
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avestin
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Posted: February 16 2008 at 17:25 |
crimson87 wrote:
Well I `m from Argentina (guess what language do I speak?)* and the answer to the MAIN question is:
* Argentina is not part of Brazil |
Sorry, I have to ask; where did you encounter someone who thinks that?
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crimson87
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Posted: February 17 2008 at 13:17 |
avestin wrote:
crimson87 wrote:
Well I `m from Argentina (guess what language do I speak?)* and the answer to the MAIN question is:
* Argentina is not part of Brazil |
Sorry, I have to ask; where did you encounter someone who thinks that?
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Speaking to americans who were also sure that Peron was our president nowdays.(He was our president between 1945 to 1955 and also from 1973 to 1974).I mean gather some info before saying such thing
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WideAngleWatcher
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Posted: February 28 2008 at 19:43 |
Yes. I like to be able to understand what is being sung about otherwise I don't get into it nearly as much.
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cuncuna
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Posted: February 28 2008 at 19:46 |
Yes, almost all of them sing in their own language and I have to find the lyrics because they refuse to learn spanish and they have their own cultures and their own imaginery and music traditions and codes to produce their art...
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 28 2008 at 19:57 |
cuncuna wrote:
Yes, almost all of them sing in their own language and I have to find the lyrics because they refuse to learn spanish and they have their own cultures and their own imaginery and music traditions and codes to produce their art... |
 I don't think I would've liked "foreign lyrics" when I was younger, but eventually you grow up and are able to get past a language barrier.. besides, many English speaking singers get on my nerves more than foreign ones, and since when was a deep interpretation of lyrics important in rock? Come on, gimme a break..
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Atkingani
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Posted: February 28 2008 at 20:13 |
I'm here just imagining if Mr. Sinatra should have said: "I can't sing bossa nova, it's not fit for the English language."
Well, he didn't mind and... a classical.
P.S.: btw, I don't like that music too much... even the Pope recorded it, I'm quite sure.
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cuncuna
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Posted: February 28 2008 at 20:23 |
Atkingani wrote:
I'm here just imagining if Mr. Sinatra should have said: "I can't sing bossa nova, it's not fit for the English language." Well, he didn't mind and... a classical. P.S.: btw, I don't like that music too much... even the Pope recorded it, I'm quite sure. |
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jammun
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Posted: February 28 2008 at 20:29 |
I still don't get why language matters. Yes, those of us who are not fluent in other languages can't understand the meaning of the song when dealing with bands who do not write/sing in our own native language (or another in which we are fluent). But, at least for prog, that may be the least of our problems:
So c'mon, we've got at least one band (Yes) singing in English whose lyrics are frequently indecipherable. Case in point, the first part of CTTE:
"A seasoned witch could call you from the depths of your disgrace
And rearrange your liver to the solid mental grace"
Other than the obvious reference to Donovan's Season of the Witch (whether intentional or not), and perhaps a reference to Yours Is No Disgrace, what does this mean? It might as well be a non-English language for the meaning we can actually derive from it.
I guess we English speakers can take some comfort in understanding the individual words, but taken together there ain't a whole lot of meaning there. Dunno, maybe the liver is the seat of mental grace in some obscure philosophy or another. In the end it's the music that gives this stuff meaning.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: February 29 2008 at 06:33 |
Admin note -
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Keep it nice guys
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rudderhead
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Posted: February 29 2008 at 10:30 |
LONG LIVE CENSORSHIP!!!!
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Dean
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Posted: February 29 2008 at 10:52 |
rudderhead wrote:
LONG LIVE CENSORSHIP!!!!
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We actually perfer personal censorship here - which means thinking before making an inflamatory post and toning down the content so that it is not offensive. This has nothing to do with being PC but just being polite and respectful to others. You are perfectly entitled to your views, but the Admins and other members have the right to object to how you say it if they find it hurtful.
Before you make another post, I recommend you view our site rules.
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mpomy
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Posted: February 29 2008 at 11:17 |
I've recently been fortunate enough to discover a bunch of non-english speaking bands - SBB, PFM, O Terco, Bacamarte, Harmonium, just to name a few. While there are times when I am moved to tears by the poetry of lines sung in english (Spock's Beard - the end of 'The Great Nothing' - whew!), but there is also a great aesthetic pleasure in the sound of the words. Sometimes it doesn't matter what the words mean, even if they are sung in English. An example of this for me is one of the lines a the end of Marillion's 'This Strange Engine' when H sings "...for one last time..." I don't really know what he's talking about, but I LOVE the way it sounds. It's exactly the same with a lot of the Italian, French, Portuguese and Polish I've been listening to lately.
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