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The Quiet One ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
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^ok thanks guys, I'll probably check 'Feel Euphoria' then. I've been getting kind-of sick of the the 70+ minute albums, so I don't think I want to get 'X' right now.
I mean, I really never got accustomed to the 70+ minute albums, hence all the masterpieces I rated are below the 60 minute mark if I'm not mistaken. I actually consider a 35 minute album to be perfect, but nowadays that's considered way too short, now they would call it an EP, haha.
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Harry Hood ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: August 15 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1305 |
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The Flower Kings do the 70-minute album better than anyone else. I haven't really heard anything on any of their albums that could be described as "filler" at least in way the way filler is traditionally performed and composed. If they do have filler it's some of the most interesting and amazing filler ever.
In conclusion, 70 minutes is the perfect length for an album but only if it is the perfect length for an album.
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infandous ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 23 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2447 |
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TFK's were actually the band that got me used to 70 minute + album lengths. Though I admit, some albums by other bands suffer from them filling up the CD. Not a problem for the Kings, as I usually wish their albums were longer. In fact, I think Roine and the boys are overdue for a 3 CD album
![]() ![]() As to Spock's Beard, I've listened to tracks here and elsewhere from their post-Neal albums and it just doesn't do anything for me. I actually couldn't stand Feel Euphoria (which I heard in it's entirety at least 3 times). I'm also not terribly fond of Snow, though it did go from a one star to a two and a half star album for me over the course of a year or so after release. |
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M27Barney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136 |
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I will listen to the Garden of Dreams as I drive home from Scotland this friday, I will make sure that i'm about an hour from home - then it will finish just before I get home!
My youngest son has just bought his first synth - a Roland Juno d1 or whatever - it's one hell of a keyboard - Roj you would love the synth loops that he plays with ease - I know that you like all the electronica stuf - He's can now play with two hands - and he's' only been playing for a couple of weeks - he might be Emerson standard by xmas! We have to buy him an amplifier if he gets good results in his o-levels!
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Roland113 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 30 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Status: Offline Points: 3843 |
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Wait a minute...I thought Scotland was an island...no way...you've got one of those inflatable cars, don't you? Too cool. |
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I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
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M27Barney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136 |
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Er - Scotland an Island ?
I am working in Edinburgh - I leave work then get on the Edinburgh bypass, then it's the A702 through Biggar to jjoin the A78(M) then thats a direct motorway that joins the M6 (England) then the M61 - home to Swinton, North Manchester - Distance 213 miles - usual travel time 3.5 hours.......
Great Britain is an island.......
You can drive from John-o-groats (North Scotland) all the way to Lands End, Cornwall England, here endeth the Geography lesson.....
Anyway I'm hoping to home by tea time on Friday.....
TTFN.
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Roland113 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 30 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Status: Offline Points: 3843 |
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![]() Drive safely *wanders off in shame* |
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I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
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![]() Hey Rob, with 3.5 hours to kill you should just about get through both discs of Unfold The Future and leave enough room for Garden of Dreams to finish with ![]() Edited by Roj M30 - August 19 2010 at 03:01 |
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M27Barney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136 |
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I have a six disc CD player in my motor so technically I can play 8 hours of music without repeats. But I like to listen to talksport during the footie season so my trip home is with talksport except for a 1.5-1.75 hour gap in the journey from just joining the scottish motoway to getting to Preston where I can pick up talksport again.
We are definately got to get out for a few pints this autumn - need to talk prog with somebody who appreciates the same music. I haven't seen Nobby or yourself for years - it's so sad that one time buddies who used to go out every weekend never see one another when we live within three miles of one another!
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Roland113 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 30 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Status: Offline Points: 3843 |
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Great news!
I don't know if I'll make the live feed / chat session but I'm looking forward to listening to the archive if I can't make it. |
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But Scotland is "ON" an island, isn't it? Same as Brunei, more or less
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Yes, but Brunei has a Sultan.
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The Quiet One ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
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Today I listened to both, I Am The Sun and The Truth Will Set You Free, and now I think that the latter is one of my fave TFK tunes/epics.
We have already discussed long time ago, but I would like to know your thoughts now, what do you think of 'The Truth Will Set You Free' and how would you compare it to 'I Am the Sun'.
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As I posted just now on the Marillion Round Table, Sky television showed highlights of the High Voltage festival on their arts channel last night, and the Transatlantic contribution was the Whirlwind opening section. They were spectacular and I really wish I had gone to see them.
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Roland113 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 30 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Status: Offline Points: 3843 |
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Hmm, ok. "I am the Sun" is, was and shall be my favorite song for some time. At this point, the song has a very emotional attachment to me as I've been singing the beginning of part two to my daughter, prety much every night for the past three years. Just last night, she woke up with a nightmare or something. I went in, calmed her down. She totally asked me for 'the baby elephant song'. So yeah, singing it at three o'clock AM to an adoring audience will really help a song grow on you. Other than the emotional side of it, it's a great song all around. I really enjoy the harder edged beginning and I may be alone, but I like what Barney refers to as 'the daft part' also...you know, "I left my heart, in San Francisco". Also, the reason that 'the baby elephant song' became a fixture in the household is because I enjoyed it so much in the first place. It's so light and uplifting. "The Truth Will Set You Free" is a great song as well and one that has certainly grown on me over the years. When I first heard it, I thought it was decent, though, as I said it's a grower for me. I don't overly care for the lyrics much but the vocal harmonies are very nice. Also, the song features some of Mr. Bodin's better work. Still, when the cards are down, if this was a poll, my vote would go to "I am the Sun". |
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Oh, guys, I'm telling you, you need to check out Hasse Froeberg and the Musical Companion's new release, "Future Past". I listened to the archive of the CD release party and it sounds great.
My first thoughts in random order: * Definite Flower King sound in a lot of parts * Guitar player has some Brian May influences * Keyboard player is great * Has a nice bluesy feel at times All in all, I really liked it and highly recommend that you all at least listen to the archive. Me, I'm buying it. The host of "The Rogues Gallery", Franz Keylard, has predicted that it will be on a lot of people's top ten list this year. Good stuff, |
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infandous ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 23 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2447 |
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Well, I prefer the Truth slightly over I Am the Sun, but it's really whichever one I've heard most recently I like more. I love the lyrics for both songs, though I think the Truth's are a little closer to my heart and have a bit more direct meaning. Musically, both are brilliant though admittedly the Truth takes longer to fully absorb and get into, I think. But I've been listening to I Am the Sun lately and it's an incredible piece of work, to be sure (I too love the "daft part", though the "I left my heart..." voice over bit could have been left out to make it seem less corny after repeated listens.........but the music for that part is killer). If this was a poll, I'd pick Garden Of Dreams
![]() I've listened to samples of HFMC, and frankly I'm not all that interested in it. The thought of an entire album of Hasse's vocals really doesn't appeal to me that much. I find I can take him mostly in smaller doses, which TFK's provide quite well. But over the years his voice has become less and less appealing to me I'm afraid (he's the main reason I don't like songs like Sword Of God). Also, I'm not much interested in straight rock type stuff, which a lot of the samples sounded like to me. The ones that had a FK vibe were a bit better, but sounded kind of thin to my ears (missing a lot of what makes TFK sound so great........which really isn't a criticism since it's not supposed to be a FK album anyway). But I'm sure at some point I'll have to give the album a listen. It's just not going to be a priority for me I'm afraid. Edited by infandous - August 30 2010 at 09:02 |
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infandous ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 23 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2447 |
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Finally posted my Whirlwind review. That album really has grown on me, I must say. But as the review hopefully makes clear, I don't think it's any kind of masterpiece. But good comfort prog for me, I must say.
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O666 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 20 2009 Location: TEHRAN-IRAN Status: Offline Points: 2619 |
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I listen TFK 2 years ago for first time and I bought "The Sum Of No Evil ". Honestly I didn't like that BUT I found many powerful material on it. After few week my friend gave me " Paradox Hotel " and I didn't listen to it . I dont know why but I bought TFKs albums without listening to them. My friend ( He is TFK's huge fan) gave me some of Tomas Bodin's solo albums.WOW. Great music. Very professional progressive music. After Bodin I decided to listen to TFK's albums from first album( I bought all TFK's studio albums introduced in PA). You can't imagine that. When I listen to " Back In The World Of Adventure " I wondered so much. I feel like a fool. Why I ignore this great band for 2 years. I listen to albums one by one and enjoy more and more!!! I searched for all TFK's lives,boxsets,EPs and members solo album. I found big " Roine Stolt " albums. I enter to new world. Now I am a TFK huge fan.
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Here's a very nice little interview with Roine.......
GERT: Welcome Roine and thanks for this short interview. ROINE: You’re welcome. GERT: The Tour has been going on for three for weeks now? Starting in mid April? ROINE: Yes, something like that, actually we have done about 20 shows now. We've just three shows left and we're almost done. GERT: What's like touring and performing again after so long with the other guys of Transatlantic. ROINE: It feels good, you know the considering everything. The length of the tour. The whole presentation, the way the band sounds like, I feel like it is an improvement. At least that is what my feeing is compared to the tour which we did in 2001. In Europe but America as well. You know back then everyone was so involved in their own band and Transatlantic was put together more as a side project. Of course we didn’t know what to expect. I mean we did an album and we did not know what would be the turn out for the shows. It was a bit of a shock I think, this time we knew a little bit more about what to expect. And we did go to rehearse in America before we did our first show. The first show we did in Los Angeles, the first show was actually quite good. So far the tour has been good, great crew, big crew. GERT: With only three shows to go what could go wrong? ROINE: There is always something that can go wrong you know. So far there has been no problem, however, the only show I think it was in Berlin the show for at least the first set was chaos soundwise. The sound was so loud that we came to a point, where we could not hear anything, and well the only thing you could hear on stage was a beat going on. You can hear a bass but not what he is playing, you could hear a keyboard but not the notes being played, you could hear vocals but not the singing and it all becomes sort of a blur of sound - a massive wall of sound without any definition at all. I think it was the first set - at that time we had Mike set up behind the rest of the band, and that didn’t work out - that didn’t work out at all. We need the cues Mike gives you know. You have the classic Transatlantic set up with Mike on one side and Neal on the other side. Me and Pete in between. So we can all see each other. We all need that. GERT: So real interaction between all of you? ROINE: Yeah for the cues - and so for the Berlin show we had the drums behind us - it just felt so weird you know. And for some reason it also became louder. We actually moved the drum riser more to the front between the two sets. The second set was OK but the first just didn’t feel right. That was the only show so far that did not feel good, but apart from that every show was good. GERT: In preparing for this interview I listened to all the Transatlantic album's consecutively and I noticed a more consistent sound on Whirlwind - it sounds more a band playing. ROINE: Oh yeah, a lot has been improving from back when we recorded SMPT and Bridge Then we would more just make a mix, and bits and pieces where we wanted changes were changed and that was it basically. There is a lot more communication now, and a its a different time, we now send bits and pieces to each other and we could do a mix and a few hours later we could go "I like this" and "I don’t like that" - Pan it some more or take off a bit of treble and we would change and in a couple of hours could hear it again. Much faster. GERT: You get a better sound that way? ROINE: Yes I think its more detailed and more precice and besides that it felt good to get back and record together, you couldn’t really feel the nine years that had passed. Nine years seems like a long time but my oldest son who is with us on tour now, he’s twenty, and he was ten or eleven at the time. In that way you can sense the nine years but once we got into a room and started to rehearse and started talking about songs it felt almost like yesterday. GERT: [I want to do a little twist in the conversation and get The Flower kings involved.] How about plans to create music with The Flower Kings? ROINE: Sure I have plans to record with The Flower Kings again, but we all thought we needed time away from The Flower Kings. It had come to a point with The Flower Kings where people expected us to play certain song at live shows. And when albums came out there was always somebody that would say it sounds similar to this or that or I have heard that a dozen times before. So we all - Jonas, me Tomas - thought we needed this break. I mean when I write a song I write it the way I know the people I work with can play it. So you need to be around other people to change. When you really want to change, you need to be around others, every artist will come to this point where people think it is all the same, look at Bruce Springsteen he is been doing it since the seventies you know. GERT: Looking at compositions, it kinda seems to me the Whirlwind is more of a group effort, more than the first two albums? ROINE: Well yes it is more a group thing, everyone would come up with suggestions and we all go over it and then put all of it together The album is 12 pieces of music, but in fact is more like 50 or 60 different pieces of music patched together into these songs. In that sense it is more of a group effort and that’s more important also in a psychological sense that everybody feels more involved and more proud - that sort of thing. Instead of on the first album where all of the above is more or less a Neal Morse song with a little Pete Trewavas put in. Or Duel with the Devil which is basically Neal and me and the others playing. GERT: Now I have a question for you about a set of shows you did a few years back - Brimstone Circus. Is this ever going to happen again? ROINE: It might happen again, at that time it was special because Hasse the vocalist in The Flower Kings needed to do his job, him being the only one in The Flower Kings who had a regular job. He could not get time off to do a tour, but the rest of us wanted to play. We then put on a show with The Instrumental Flower Kings also the first time with Marcus Lillequist. We played small audiences, we liked it but it was special - maybe we will do it again sometime. GERT: OK Roine, thanks for the interview and play a good show tonight. ROINE: Thank you was my pleasure - have fun tonight. |
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