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    Posted: January 07 2013 at 23:14
Rush is one of those bands who is not afraid of experimenting even if it means losing fans in the process. Their music has always practically been hard to categorize, they are Hard Rock and Metal and Progressive Rock all in one. Yet they also incorporate elements of Reggae, New Wave, Synth Rock and even Alternative Rock and Pop Rock into their sound. My question to you is. Would you consider them Eclectic??? Because the term Heavy Prog makes it seem as if they are always heavy and that's not always the case.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 07 2013 at 23:19
I think they fit well in heavy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 01:50
I think they've reinvented themselves on at least 3 occasions. Heavy prog does not adequately describe 2112 , Farewell To KIngs or Hemispheres which are much closer to symhonic prog than heavy metal in my opinion. In the eighties they actually became closer to Art Rock or even sometimes described as 'Techno Rock'. For about Roll The Bones onwards they fit the heavy prog category pretty well although the prog element as disappeared over time imo. Overall if you look at their origins and then take the later albums the soul of the band is as a heavy prog band. They rule that category. If you put them in eclectic prog then presumably they go toe to toe with King Crimson and Gentle Giant.Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 02:02
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I think they've reinvented themselves on at least 3 occasions. Heavy prog does not adequately describe 2112 , Farewell To KIngs or Hemispheres which are much closer to symhonic prog than heavy metal in my opinion. In the eighties they actually became closer to Art Rock or even sometimes described as 'Techno Rock'. For about Roll The Bones onwards they fit the heavy prog category pretty well although the prog element as disappeared over time imo. Overall if you look at their origins and then take the later albums the soul of the band is as a heavy prog band. They rule that category. If you put them in eclectic prog then presumably they go toe to toe with King Crimson and Gentle Giant.Confused


Symphonic Prog ConfusedConfused, Rush is one of the founders of Progressive Metal, I would argue that their music is Progressive Metal, listen to The Necromancer, 2112 is that Symphonic ProgConfusedConfused, and you didn't spell Symphonic right. I would consider everything they did from Fly By Night to Hemispheres  Prog Metal or the beginnings of it.

In the eighties they actually became closer to Art Rock , many would argue that Art Rock is Prog Rock.

For about Roll The Bones onwards they fit the heavy prog category pretty well although the prog element as disappeared over time imo ConfusedConfusedConfused, The proggy elements have always been there with them, it's just the way they play , it doesn't feel right for them not to play complicated pieces

If you put them in eclectic prog then presumably they go toe to toe with King Crimson and Gentle Giant.Confused

yeah and  they are just as good as those two bands probably even betterShocked


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 03:23
I really don't think I could ever call them eclectic prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 03:33
I think Heavy Prog fits them better, although they have incorporated some elements from different styles and they have reinvented themselves more than once. Xanadu on A Farewell to Kings has strong symphonic elements and from Permanent Waves to Signals they were rather symphonic as well. But most of their music is rather heavy Art Rock indeed.
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 04:28
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

and you didn't spell Symphonic right.

So he forgot a "p", big deal. You're one to talk about good English.

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

many would argue that Art Rock is Prog Rock.

And many more would disagree. In general, "art rock" describes any rock music with 'artsy' elements in it, whereas "prog rock" places a greater emphasis on instrumental and compositional complexity. For example, David Bowie and Radiohead are generally considered art rock but not prog rock, because their music is relatively simple for the most part.

I think Rush fit just fine in heavy prog. I wouldn't go as far as calling their music heavy metal (although they did influence a lot of prog metal bands), but definitely hard rock. Symphonic? I would say their sound is not 'orchestral' enough for that. They did change their sound over the years, but so did many many other prog bands that aren't categorized as Eclectic. I think it makes more sense to categorize a band after the style they're generally associated with, and that's heavy prog for Rush. It's bands like King Crimson, who are associated with more than one style, or Gentle Giant, whose music contains elements of many styles at once, that belong into Eclectic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 05:15
I would consider Rush's music eclectic, but that goes for most prog bands. As for moving them to Eclectic Prog, I would say no. The core of their music is unmistakenly hard rock, which makes Heavy Prog a perfect fit for them, IMO.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 05:26
It's true that they have morphed style during their long career, but this does not qualify them as Eclectic.
Each of their individual albums has a consistent style. Eclectic is reserved for those who blend many styles in one single album.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 08:24
No.
While Rush may have changed palettes a couple of times ( Caress of Steel, Signals), they have always retained that ever so Rushy rock quotient.
Rush are like the prog version of the Stones. You'll get your rocks off, no doubt, but you know what to expect and have they ever really really changed style? Not really, outside of those two aforementioned records.
My opinion of course - there's bound to be people out there who feel they were an integral part of the early RIO movement because of Villa Strangiato...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 08:35
Heavy prog is a nonsense genre anyway. But so is eclectic. But if it is so, yes, why not Eclectic?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 08:46
To help keep the genres straight in my head, I often have a single "flagship band" that I use to identify each genre.  In my case, Rush is "heavy prog" by definition, just as King Crimson is "eclectic prog" by definition.  These genres don't really exist as such, but they are there for our convenience.   So change them or don't change them, it doesn't really matter; as long as we're consistent and re-categorize other bands accordingly (maybe Porcupine Tree should be eclectic then... see wot I mean?).  But I don't see much point in doing that, other than to stir up dust where it isn't needed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 08:51
^You are probably right. Rush might be , but they are also Heavy. But so is King Crimson....Ermm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 08:54
Rush is heavy prog personified. Period.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 08:55
Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

I would consider Rush's music eclectic, but that goes for most prog bands. As for moving them to Eclectic Prog, I would say no. The core of their music is unmistakenly hard rock, which makes Heavy Prog a perfect fit for them, IMO.
I agree with this.  They are predominantly a guitar-bass-drum hard rock band with keyboards/synths.  Before they became a release a live album for every tour band, they used to release a live album after ever 4 studio albums, and these live albums kind of indicated the end of an era and a change in direction for the band, albeit they progressed in the direction of the next era during each set of 4 studio albums. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 09:02
Maybe they aren't always heavy, but most of the times they seem to be.
They don't seem to me to be as eclectic as Gentle Giant or King Crimson.
But then again, I'm no Rush expert at all, I must admit.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 11:48
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Rush are like the prog version of the Stones. You'll get your rocks off, no doubt, but you know what to expect and have they ever really really changed style?

Actually, the Stones changed their style a lot: British Invasion, R&B, baroque pop, psychedelia, roots rock, blues rock, funk, soul, reggae, country, disco... They did all of those things.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 11:50
Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Rush are like the prog version of the Stones. You'll get your rocks off, no doubt, but you know what to expect and have they ever really really changed style?

Actually, the Stones changed their style a lot: British Invasion, R&B, baroque pop, psychedelia, roots rock, blues rock, funk, soul, reggae, country, disco... They did all of those things.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 11:58
Allocating a sub genre to certain bands may not be appropriate or necessary. Rush are one of those bands in my opinion. You could argue that Moving Pictures is quite 'eclectic' in its variety of styles. Vital Signs, Tom Sawyer, Camera Eye and Limelight are all very different. Bounded only by having the same production.

Overall, it's fair to call Rush, quite simply prog rock, imo, as they 'progressed' and developed from one album to the next, drawing on a number of diverse musical influences. To categorise them overall as 'eclectic' to me seems both off target, and unnecessary.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2013 at 15:42
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I think they've reinvented themselves on at least 3 occasions. Heavy prog does not adequately describe 2112 , Farewell To KIngs or Hemispheres which are much closer to symhonic prog than heavy metal in my opinion. In the eighties they actually became closer to Art Rock or even sometimes described as 'Techno Rock'. For about Roll The Bones onwards they fit the heavy prog category pretty well although the prog element as disappeared over time imo. Overall if you look at their origins and then take the later albums the soul of the band is as a heavy prog band. They rule that category. If you put them in eclectic prog then presumably they go toe to toe with King Crimson and Gentle Giant.Confused


Symphonic Prog ConfusedConfused, Rush is one of the founders of Progressive Metal, I would argue that their music is Progressive Metal, listen to The Necromancer, 2112 is that Symphonic ProgConfusedConfused, and you didn't spell Symphonic right. I would consider everything they did from Fly By Night to Hemispheres  Prog Metal or the beginnings of it.

In the eighties they actually became closer to Art Rock , many would argue that Art Rock is Prog Rock.

For about Roll The Bones onwards they fit the heavy prog category pretty well although the prog element as disappeared over time imo ConfusedConfusedConfused, The proggy elements have always been there with them, it's just the way they play , it doesn't feel right for them not to play complicated pieces

If you put them in eclectic prog then presumably they go toe to toe with King Crimson and Gentle Giant.Confused

yeah and  they are just as good as those two bands probably even betterShocked
 I didn't bother to correct my spelling as that 'edited at blah blah' thing at the bottom of the page is always irrititating. In any case it was actually a typo LOL
 
I always assumed 'Art Rock' to be more about songs than long peices but had a quick look on the internet and its not that straightforward
I guess I got it wrong by using the term 'art rock' but what I was trying to get at was that in the 80's Rush left behind the complexity without losing the artistic qualities in their music.
From 90's onwards they became a lot more straightforward and concentrated on just writing songs but retaining heavy qualities. I have no problem with that btw and rate Vapor Trails highly.
 
I am a fan and would argue that hardly anything they did could be called 'prog metal'. They likely influenced prog metal bands but then so did many other prog bands .Rush were from a heavy rock background and no more a metal band than Led Zep or Deep Purple. The origins of prog metal come from metal. This would be Iron Maiden , Mettalica and so forth. If you are going back before then perhaps Led Zep 'Achilles Last Stand' was a starting point?
 
As good as Gentle Giant and King Crimson? Rush smoke both those bands for sheer power but I think those other bands were drawing on a much wider base of influences that went beyond other prog bands. Rush were influenced by King Crimson among others not vice versa.
 
Disclaimer - apologies for any typo's in the above caused by having chubby ageing fingers. (However I do accept that grammatical errors are down to my lack of intelligence and/or education Smile)
 
 
 
 
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