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    Posted: September 15 2012 at 07:40
I can find no reference in the forum anywhere for this very talented lady other than the question: Have you ever heard about this chick? Cailyn, posted by Alexandre (desistindo) here: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=87991&PID=4596322#4596322 about a month ago.
She is currently under evaluation in Crossover, but looks to be heading for the exits, which will be a crying shame, 'cos this is quite some lady:
 
 
 
Now I don't know which albums the team are basing their evaluation on - 'cos Cailyn has actually made three so far...of quite differing styles too, which won't help at all in allocating her to a sub genre, but I really feel she needs to be listened to by those who frequent this site - members and non-members alike, so I'm going to take the liberty of 'suggesting' her here, even though she has already been added 'behind the scenes' to Crossover's taskload - probably as a direct consequence of desistindo's post in 'Just For Fun' forum (see above).
 
Bio from her myspace page: http://www.myspace.com/cailynrox (where you will find the nine tracks which made up her second release from May 2009, 'True Lies and Other Fairy Tales', which featured Dani Daly on vocals and Cailyn playing all instruments, and comprised four original songs and five covers of well-known rock classics).
 
"Cailyn Lloyd began playing the piano at age 6 and the violin at age 8. She picked up a guitar in her teens, playing in the progressive-rock scene in London, England, including a gig at the famed Marquee Club. After returning to the United States, Cailyn continued to study and perform on guitar, learned to play bass and drums, and then took time to raise a family.

Six years ago, Cailyn returned to music full time, touring first with the Alimony Blues Band as guitarist and then with noted power-rock band IX Lives on guitar, bass, and keyboards. Cailyn has since devoted most of her time to studio and session work but still performs regularly with the band Enigma. Cailyn is also studying music theory and composition with award-winning composer, Daniel Leo Simpson.

Cailyn owns a boutique recording studio where she produced her first release in 2008, a blues-classical crossover EP. The following year, Cailyn recorded and produced a proggy classic rock CD with Dani Daly, an award-winning Wisconsin rock vocalist. That release, True Lies and Other Fairy Tales received many rave reviews–most notably in Vintage Guitar Magazine. Her current release, Four Pieces, is a fusion of progressive rock and classical music, featuring three standards from the classical repertoire and one original composition, all performed on modern instruments."
 
Here is her personal website: http://www.cailynrox.com/
 
Her full catalog of releases are as follows:
 
Four Pieces (CD) Release Date July 30, 2012
Track Listing:
Fantasia
Largo
Adagio
Nocturne
 
Cailyn Lloyd: guitars, bass, piano, synths, drums.
Recorded at Land of Oz Music.  Recorded and produced by Cailyn Lloyd.
Mixed at Rax Trax Recording, Chicago, IL by Rick Barnes and Cailyn Lloyd.
Mastered at Gravity Mastering by Doug MacBride.
 
New World in Blue II (EP) Release Date July 30, 2009 
New drum tracks, new vocals, remixed and remastered.
Track Listing:
Little Wing
Clouds
New World in Blue
For Elise
 
Cailyn Lloyd: guitars, bass, keyboards, drums, programming.
Dani Daly: vocals on Little Wing and Cloud
Additional recording and mixing at Land of Oz Music
Remastered Melenium Mastering by Frank LoCicero, Cleveland, OH.
 
True Lies and Other Fairy Tales (CD) Release Date May 22, 2009
Track Listing:
Heartland
Still...You Turn Me On
Lady Kicks Ax
Portrait (He Knew)
Heading West
Dream On
Wind Cries Mary
Can't Find My Way
Road Not Taken
For Elise
 
Cailyn Lloyd: guitars, bass, keyboards, drums, programming.
Dani Daly: vocals.
Recorded and produced by Cailyn Lloyd at Land of Oz Music, Fond du Lac, WI
Mastered by The SoundLab, Pennsauken, NJ
 
New World in Blue I (EP) Release Date April 30, 2008
Track Listing:
Little Wing
Clouds
New World in Blue
For Elise
 
Cailyn Lloyd: guitars, bass, keyboards, programming.
Ric Prida: vocals on Little Wing.  Kelly Rose: vocals on Clouds
 
Now her early material is probably of little interest to this site from a prog perspective (it is purely Hard/Classic Rock after all..but there are well-performed variations of some famous and much loved songs on these releases, and they are certainly something that many on here will enjoy listening to).
 
Her latest release 'Four Pieces' is a little different however:
 

This instrumental album contains - as the title suggests - four symphonic pieces which include Ralph Vaughn William's "Fantasia", the second movement of Antonín Dvorák's "New World Symphony" (better known as "Largo"), Samuel Barber's "Adagio For Strings", and Cailyn's original composition "Nocturne".

This project was something she first dreamed up back in 2007, when she composed a blues variation of "Largo" for her first CD "New World In Blue". But the technical aspects of producing a sprawling multi-layered symphonic work ala Mike Oldfield proved a daunting task, so she temporarily shelved the project, opting for the collaboration with Dani Daly instead.

In 2010 she re-focused her attention to the symphonic project - determined to see it through. And finally in 2012 after years of writing, recording, tweaking and noodling, "Four Pieces" came to fruition, and the end result  was well worth the effort imho, and something that Iván might well want to check out.

 
Listen to all three of Cailyn's releases in their entirety here: http://soundcloud.com/cailynrox
 
...and ENJOY!!!  Big smile  Thumbs Up
 
 
Edit: Here's a sample of the lady's guitar playing to whet your appetite (a track from New World in Blue II):
 
 
 
 
 Go get 'em, Tiger!!   Clap


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We were given a link to Lies And Other Fairy Tales.
 
While I found her covers of prog songs to be passable, but not spectacular, it was her original material that caused me to vote no. 
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If she's rejected from crossover, she has .0001% chance of passing in symphonic. If they are rejected, I'll tell the symph boys, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a swift rejection.
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Points: 7195 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2012 at 08:43
Her third album 'Four Pieces' is the one that needs evaluating really: http://soundcloud.com/cailynrox/sets/four-pieces-1/ - the others generally had little to do with prog really, but this latest release may fall under Symphonic's umbrella. I've pm'd Iván anyway to see what his thoughts are - he will probably respond here after he's listened to the album.
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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2012 at 09:12
Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

Her third album 'Four Pieces' is the one that needs evaluating really: http://soundcloud.com/cailynrox/sets/four-pieces-1/ - the others generally had little to do with prog really, but this latest release may fall under Symphonic's umbrella. I've pm'd Iván anyway to see what his thoughts are - he will probably respond here after he's listened to the album.

Just heard the album, and yes, has A FEW Symphonic elements, but the use of distorted guitar with some  "a la Gilmour" moments points them towards a genre that mixes styles and sounds like ECLECTIC or CROSSOVER.

Being that their music has a lot of mainstream Rock elements, the only possible place for her is CROSSOVER,. but I agree with the members of this team, her music is good, her covers are pretty decent, but ot Prog.

The only chance you have IMHO is Prog Related

Agree with them.

Iván


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As a note apart, her work on four pieces reminds me of WENDY CARLOS who played Clasical music with Moog (When She/he and Emerson got their first Moogs), but not Prog at all.

This is  some sort of Blues/Rock adaptation to classical like Wendy or Vanessa Mae have done, only that basically with heavy guitar.

Please, not every adaptation of a classical piece is Symphonic, if you don't believe, remember Walter Murphy and his  "A Beethoven Fifth" in Disco Music style.

Great work, Cailyn is an excellent guitarist, but not Prog, Sounds like Mark Knopfler playing Classical pieces


.....Again, maybe Prog Related.

Iván




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A pretty fair assessment Iván - thanks!
 
I hope she manages to get recognised in Prog-Related, 'cos I can't see either Crossover or Eclectic accepting her really, and her work has some considerable merit despite the fairly limited prog aspects of the majority of it. Let's hope the rest of your team agree that it's worth making a case for her to the admins. Thumbs Up


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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

A pretty fair assessment Iván - thanks!
 
I hope she manages to get recognised in Prog-Related, 'cos I can't see either Crossover or Eclectic accepting her really, and her work has some considerable merit despite the fairly limited prog aspects of the majority of it. Let's hope the rest of your team agree that it's worth making a case for her to the admins. Thumbs Up

Sorry Yam Yam, another member of the Symphonic Team has voted (via PM, as we work), and his opinion is "Not Prog at all", I tend to agree with him....With two votes against, there's no chance Cailyn will be accepted in Symphonic.

I even doubt will be accepted in Prog Related, being that Chertarca was rejected.

Iván


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Never mind guys. Thanks for hearing her out. Thumbs Up
She's managed to find her way onto progstreaming.com: http://www.progstreaming.com/_wb/pages/play-album.php?activeAlbum=00187+-+Cailyn+-+Four+Pieces, so at least I'm not the only person in the world that thinks this stuff has a just a hint of prog in it! Embarrassed LOL
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I  also agree that she is prog of some kind. I thought symphonic but anywhere would be good.
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Ian, you could always punt it across to eclectic for an eval. I for one would have no objection. Other than that, the only recourse is the friendly admin prog related route.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I  also agree that she is prog of some kind. I thought symphonic but anywhere would be good.

SD...Prog of some kind = Symphonic?

Two members of the Xover team have rejected her (not moved), please don't like to see the Symphonic team always as the bad guys rejecting an artist that should be here.

She has some Prog elements, but IMO and the opinion of the team (and apparently 2 Xover members), very few.

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I am happy to respect the opinions of others when they backed with an explanation.  Your reference - and I repeat "facile" comparison to Walter Murphy made no sense.  It implied that this woman had somehow dumbed down these classical pieces and to my ears, that is not the case.  That is an informed opinion.  I can read music - these are fairly faithful rock renditions of the classical works.  Walter Murphy did a cheesy rendition of Beethoven in disco style..

I see no explanation of why this isn't prog.  It sounds like an edict from on high and rather skeptical of edits from on high.  I mean no personal offense but simply declaring something isn't prog without an explanation smacks of elitism, ie we KNOW, accept it and shut up!  

Aren't forums supposed to be about discussion of the details?
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Originally posted by docall27 docall27 wrote:

I am happy to respect the opinions of others when they backed with an explanation.  Your reference - and I repeat "facile" comparison to Walter Murphy made no sense.  It implied that this woman had somehow dumbed down these classical pieces and to my ears, that is not the case.  That is an informed opinion.  I can read music - these are fairly faithful rock renditions of the classical works.  Walter Murphy did a cheesy rendition of Beethoven in disco style..

1.- Most of us can read music, and played in bands, in my case in Pub and amateur bands, but studied piano for years with an aunt who also taught in the conservatory.

2.- Wendy or Walter Carlos is not Walter Murphy, I compared Cailyn with Carlos never with Murphy. If you don't understand  what is a comparison and what is not, better learn before saying another person's opinion is sh*te, Wendy or Walter Carlos was a pioneer of Classical played with Moog, and one of the two persons that Robert Moog gave free instruiments to promote his invention, AND I COMPARED Lloyd WITH WENDY CARLOS

Quote As a note apart, her work on four pieces reminds me of WENDY CARLOS who played Clasical music with Moog (When She/he and Emerson got their first Moogs), but not Prog at all 

3.- I only mentioned Walter Murphy as an extreme case of a non Prog artist who played Pop with classical references, but never compared Walter Murphy with Cailyn, as a fact I left very clear he was a Disco artist.

Quote Please, not every adaptation of a classical piece is Symphonic, if you don't believe, remember Walter Murphy and his  "A Beethoven Fifth" in Disco Music style

If you don't understand the context of a phrase, then restrain until your reading comprehension is better

3.- As a fact I ended my post making complementary comments about her

Quote Great work, Cailyn is an excellent guitarist, but not Prog, Sounds like Mark Knopfler playing Classical pieces,

Originally posted by docall27 docall27 wrote:

I see no explanation of why this isn't prog.  It sounds like an edict from on high and rather skeptical of edits from on high.  I mean no personal offense but simply declaring something isn't prog without an explanation smacks of elitism, ie we KNOW, accept it and shut up!  

She plays Classical Music in Rock style, and covers don't make anybody a Prog musician, mainly because we focus in the composition rather than uin performance, there are millions of talented musicians who play great music, but don't fit in a Prog site

Originally posted by docall27 docall27 wrote:

Aren't forums supposed to be about discussion of the details?

Before criticizing read first and then  discuss

Summarizing:

I compared Cailyn's style with Wendy Carlos
I compared her guitar sound with Mark Knopfler

Iván


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I have removed some posts.

Can we please keep discussions respectful. You can disagree with a decision without behaving like a spoilt two year old. Docall27, I haven't seen a single cogent argument from you as to why this artist should be included that doesn't involve some kind of puerile name calling.
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Ah but we've never seen anyone try the abuse and name calling approach to get an artist added before. Maybe it will work! This guy obviously knows far better than those who have been supporting the site for years. Surely we should change our whole attitude to the site in order to accommodate him.Sleepy
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I  also agree that she is prog of some kind. I thought symphonic but anywhere would be good.

SD...Prog of some kind = Symphonic?

Two members of the Xover team have rejected her (not moved), please don't like to see the Symphonic team always as the bad guys rejecting an artist that should be here.



I haven't said any of this. You really must put your Paranoia under control ivan.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:


Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I  also agree that she is prog of some kind. I thought symphonic but anywhere would be good.

SD...Prog of some kind = Symphonic?
Two members of the Xover team have rejected her (not moved), please don't like to see the Symphonic team always as the bad guys rejecting an artist that should be here.

I haven't said any of this. You really must put your Paranoia under control ivan.

I agree with SD, Ivan. He is merely expressing his opinion, he did not suggest any of the things you allude to.

Everyone should be respectful of each others opinions in these kind of debates and not assume the intellectual high ground. Whilst the Genre Teams get the final say, they can be wrong and as long as it is done respectfully, dissent is perfectly natural. Ivan, merely questioning a decision is not disrespect, in fact you should actively encourage a "devil's advocate" position. Nobody has all the answers.



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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I  also agree that she is prog of some kind. I thought symphonic but anywhere would be good.

SD...Prog of some kind = Symphonic?

Two members of the Xover team have rejected her (not moved), please don't like to see the Symphonic team always as the bad guys rejecting an artist that should be here.



I haven't said any of this. You really must put your Paranoia under control ivan.

SD:

1.- I said this on October 25, almost three months ago...AND WE COME BACK HERE?
2.- I only said that Prog of some Kind is not necessarily Symphonic USING EXACTLY THE SAME WORDS YOU USED IN THIS POST:
3.- You know whY I said that; 3 months ago, you had participated in several threads criticizing us for rejecting SOME bands

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I  also agree that she is prog of some kind. I thought symphonic but anywhere would be good.

I'm not insulting you, I'm not paranoid

I'M USING LITERALLY THE SAME TERMS YOU USED, JUST CLARIFIED THAT PROG OF SOME KIND IS NOT NECESSARILY SYMPHONIC

You already knew in that moment that Crossover had rejected them as not Prog, and as usual you sent us the ball again 


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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2013 at 09:33
I have no idea what you are talking about. This is amazing. You are shouting and getting on your high horse about nothing. I have no agenda. i wasn't even addressing you. I don't care if she is Symphonic or not or what you and yor team does. It's too laughable your reaction  here.

Seriously, drop it.


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