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    Posted: July 22 2011 at 23:25
Would you recommend King Crimson to someone who's just getting into rock music? I'm talking about someone who knows not Led Zeppelin, Radiohead, maybe a bit of Beatles and Linkin Park (that picture comes to mindStar).

I did such a thing to one of my colleages. I pointed her in the direction of Larks' Tongues In Aspic and Discipline, and said this music would help her focus at work and sleep better at night. I wonder what happened to her.

This also brings up a topic: how would a person react to avant-prog if she had no prior experience to almost any rock music, and non-mainstream music in general? Would she think it's cool because there's nothing to compare it to, no point of reference? I mean, for a Radiohead fan, avant-prog probably sounds distant and hard to get into. But this person never heard any rock music anyway, there's nothing to be distant from.


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No. I was given a King Crimson album in the year I started being interested in rock, and I was really not ready for it. Horrible experience (maybe the worst I've ever had). Many year laters they became one of my favourite bands, but that was a completely different era and I was a different person already. 
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Whenever my friends have been exposed to my "weird" music, they call it pretentious. Which I suppose is somewhat true. But it's an acquired taste methinks, so most people will think you're a retard if you throw them koenjihyakkei right off the bat. 
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Points: 1327 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2011 at 23:39
Pretty much what I thought. Though it sucks to think that there exists some kind of hierarchy in music appreciation and you have to do XX before you can get to YY.  How about YYZ? Hmm I think anyone can enjoy that.
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Originally posted by paganinio paganinio wrote:

Would you recommend King Crimson to someone who's just getting into rock music? I'm talking about someone who knows not Led Zeppelin, Radiohead, maybe a bit of Beatles and Linkin Park (that picture comes to mindStar).
I did such a thing to one of my colleages. I pointed her in the direction of Larks' Tongues In Aspic and Discipline, and said this music would help her focus at work and sleep better at night. I wonder what happened to her.
 

Yeah, nothing like a bit of "Larks' Tongues In Aspic, Part 2" at full volume to help you get to sleep!!  

You did this to a WOMAN??  Good heavens, no wonder you don't know what happened to her!    You could have turned her on to some "sexy prog," like, well, "Love Beach" maybe?  
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Originally posted by paganinio paganinio wrote:

Would you recommend King Crimson to someone who's just getting into rock music? I'm talking about someone who knows not Led Zeppelin, Radiohead, maybe a bit of Beatles and Linkin Park (that picture comes to mindStar).

I wouldn't recommend King Crimson to anyone because I don't like them. :|
Quote But this person never heard any rock music anyway, there's nothing to be distant from.

Everybody in the world has been exposed to and formed by some type of music, so talking about a hypothetical blank slate hearing music for the first time is pointless. I think the people of some music traditions would be more receptive to avant-garde music (this is folk music but sounds almost exactly like free jazz), but there's nobody in the Western world who hasn't already listened to regular rock music. 
 
Originally posted by paganinio paganinio wrote:

maybe a bit of Beatles and Linkin Park (that picture comes to mindStar).

There is nobody who only listens to The Beatles and Linkin Park. 


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Good answers, good answers. The human brain is such a thing that it tends to like mainstream music first, before acquiring a taste for weird stuff.
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depends on the person. If their personality leans twards the different in the first place they may love it. Like my friend who listened to no "wierd" music (mostly listened to ac dc and metallica) who heared a magma song in my car and is now a WAY bigger fan of magma than I am. But this person was already openminded in other areas and had a love for the bizzare anyway. Other friends have always run the gambit from accepting to disgusted when they hear the more radical side of my tastes.
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by paganinio paganinio wrote:

Would you recommend King Crimson to someone who's just getting into rock music? I'm talking about someone who knows not Led Zeppelin, Radiohead, maybe a bit of Beatles and Linkin Park (that picture comes to mindStar).
I did such a thing to one of my colleages. I pointed her in the direction of Larks' Tongues In Aspic and Discipline, and said this music would help her focus at work and sleep better at night. I wonder what happened to her.
 

Yeah, nothing like a bit of "Larks' Tongues In Aspic, Part 2" at full volume to help you get to sleep!!  

You did this to a WOMAN??  Good heavens, no wonder you don't know what happened to her!    You could have turned her on to some "sexy prog," like, well, "Love Beach" maybe?  

Friends don't let friends listen to Love Beach.
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Originally posted by Slaughternalia Slaughternalia wrote:

Whenever my friends have been exposed to my "weird" music, they call it pretentious. Which I suppose is somewhat true. But it's an acquired taste methinks, so most people will think you're a retard if you throw them koenjihyakkei right off the bat. 
Well when parts of an album have album filler that's correct.
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Points: 67407 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2011 at 08:32
Why not? King Crimson has fairly little to do with rock music (in the strict sense) anyway.
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Depends on the person and who you are talking to ... if all they have on their iPod is small cuts and hits from iTunes or another mp3 site, I would say ... forget it ... not even suggesting anything ... but if you are a person that is adventurours, learning music, or playing it, and have a good ear for the arts, it won't matter if it is KC, AD2, or Faust ... they will find an appreciation for the music.
 
It's the same thing for the history of music ... so it would be simpler to say that if you can't get into something, that person is likely to not have an appreciation for music itself, anyway ... doesn't mean they are silly or left handed ... just means that most of them are in this board poaching all over it!
 
A person that feels music, feels the music and the "style" is immaterial ... because it is about the "experience", not Beethoven ,Stravinsky, or King Crimson. ... so, in my book, if someone is a tripper, you bet I would show/give KC to that person ... all day long ... although for today's tastes, I would probably give them "The Heavy Soul Sessions" to show  some of these metal'ists, what mentalistic music is all about!
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

... I'm not logging in again to this site ... it's a waste of time amidst people that don't believe a world exists, and that anyone else could possibly have a different opinion!
 
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I would recommend King Crimosn to anyone in any situation, but not Discipline. I hate that album. Any of the first seven would be fine.
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I don't understand why everyone feels the need to "get people into" other music. The reason my friends who only listen to Linkin Park and Avril Lavigne don't discover "better" music is because they don't share the same nerdy obsession with music that I do. They have things they would rather do than acquire the taste for experimental music through repeated listens. And that's cool, I'm sure many literature enthusiasts would consider my taste in books generic and boring
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Originally posted by Slaughternalia Slaughternalia wrote:

I don't understand why everyone feels the need to "get people into" other music. The reason my friends who only listen to Linkin Park and Avril Lavigne don't discover "better" music is because they don't share the same nerdy obsession with music that I do. They have things they would rather do than acquire the taste for experimental music through repeated listens. And that's cool, I'm sure many literature enthusiasts would consider my taste in books generic and boring


Nah, they listen to Linkin Park to appear deep on their last.fm charts.
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oh you went there
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Originally posted by Slaughternalia Slaughternalia wrote:

I'm sure many literature enthusiasts would consider my taste in books generic and boring


I know I do. I bet your favorite novelist is Dean Koontz. Ha ha ha ha ha!
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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Slaughternalia Slaughternalia wrote:

I'm sure many literature enthusiasts would consider my taste in books generic and boring


I know I do. I bet your favorite novelist is Dean Koontz. Ha ha ha ha ha!
 
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Points: 8368 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 25 2011 at 21:38
Originally posted by SolarLuna96 SolarLuna96 wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Slaughternalia Slaughternalia wrote:

I'm sure many literature enthusiasts would consider my taste in books generic and boring


I know I do. I bet your favorite novelist is Dean Koontz. Ha ha ha ha ha!
 
No, Stephanie Meyer Embarrassed


I don't know or care who that is,
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