Beatles

NO IT'S POP MUSIC!!

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Cygnus X-2 wrote: Karnevil9 wrote: Voting time chaps, chapesses & other creatures What do you mean by Other Creatures? I don't think that they are 100% prog, they are very progressive in that they made the industry what it is today, but they aren't progressive rock per se. Maybe like 63% prog. I would like to see them here, maybe not as a progressive group, maybe in a category called "Those Who Inspired Progressive Rock" or maybe "The Creators".

I'd maybe go for that.....but i still don't think they are progressive rock.  But we have a not of non prog bands here.  Like Dream Theater

Haven't we done this before about 10 million times?

I would say yes, but it is one thing to say they influenced prog rock (hell, the term didn't really exist 'til '68 or '69) and it's another to label them as a prog band (given the definition we have here). But if you want to take the term progressive literally, they progressed more than anybody else. It's really hit or miss. A real coin toss.

Karnevil9 wrote: Useful_Idiot wrote: Haven't we done this before about 10 million times?   Yes we have & im getting tired of it too Lets hope this pole seales the coffin

Well, I'm new here and I missed out in the earlier debates on this. Glad you put this poll in Karny. This should wrap it up. I about busted a nut laughing when I saw your post on the influence poll starting off with "Here we go again!" Making me feel like I'm reopening old wounds, huh?

First of all, to marktheshark, I want to let you know that the phrase "bust a nut" usually means the same as "getting your rocks off", or, in plainest terms, to ejaculate.  The phrase you were searching for was, I'm guessing, "busted a gut".

Anyway, regarding the issue of the Beatles' inclusion within the canon of progressive rock bands...

Progressive rock has come to be an umbrella term for various genres of music: art rock, symphonic, zeuhl, krautrock, etc.

Unfortunately, most people have come to identify the term "progressive rock" exclusively with symphonic prog.  This leads these people to identify bands like Yes and Emerson, Lake & Palmer as progressive rock, while maligning other truly progressive acts such as the Beatles, or say, Dream Theater, which was also mentioned in this thread.

No one is arguing that the early Beatles era, producing songs such as "I Want to Hold Your Hand" and "Eight Days a Week", should be recognized as progressive.  Brilliant music in its own right, yes; not progressive, however.

It is an unassailable fact, however, that the Beatles' later work, with its unparalleled exploration of musical frontiers is by anyone's definition, art rock or experimental. thus earning the Beatles a place among other art rock bands on ProgArchives. 

Of course, many progressive rock fans are loath to acknowledge the Beatles as a progressive act since they are ubiquitous across so many genres of music.  Well, there's a reason that the Beatles are so revered among most of the musical community; they explored and broke down musical boundaries in so many ways that their influence over any given genre of music is incalculable. 

Given the Beatles' experimentalism and their willingness to stray from the beaten path in a musical sense, it is not only reasonable to grant them a place among bands such as Gentle Giant and Pink Floyd...it is petty and asinine *not* to include them.

And to all opposed: sounds like sour grapes to me.


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Yes Karny I reckon they are not 100%Prog but should be added for obvious reasons. Sgt. Pepper anyone?

Respectfully spoken about in a special page, yes!

Reviewing all their albums maybe not! But from Revolver onwards, I would recommend (if need be ) that every proghead listens to those album!

Sgt Pepper anyone??????????????  what?

Definitely an influence & inspiration!  Prog to me from Relayer (or even half of Rubber Soul) onward....