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    Posted: November 28 2008 at 21:47
I have seen topics of him around here before, but I can't find them with the darn search function, and I never saw the final verdict.

Anyway, why isn't he listed here on the archives?

I know just being influential alone isn't enough to get an artist here...but he was a heavy component in the development of Psychedelic music and among other genres just developing at the time. His stuff was also pretty progressive at the time, with the sounds. He also has some really lengthy tracks that were also unconventional at the time, like 'Voodo Chile' from Electric Ladyland.

Just wondering what others think.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2008 at 21:56
I recall a rather lengthy discussion on him a little over a year ago, and I believe the final verdict/vote was No (it was a poll I believe)    ..Hendrix didn't often veer far from his heavy blues/psych roots, though certainly releases as Axis and Ladyland flirted with a progressive approach   ..though he had hinted at a new prog/art direction (he was a big fan of early proggers Touch, plus the HELP project, etc.) , he died before producing any of this work, and did not demonstrably influence any of the artists in the prog movement, as most of them were moving away from what Hendrix was doing, so Proto or Prog Related wouldn't fit him either


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2008 at 22:07

there were several:

 
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Poll Question: Does the Jimi Hendrix Experience belong here?
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Poll Question: It can be considered Prog?
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And many more with similar numbers.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2008 at 22:15
You have to set the search parameters to any date (the default is the last six months), and I have found many topics on his inclusion (this is the 9th Hendrix topic in this forum alone).  Here's one of the more epic ones (with a poll): http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2720

I must admit that I have a soft-spot for Hendrix in the archives, and have shown support for  his inclusion, but I also have my reservations.  I will speak more later.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2008 at 22:44
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

   Here's one of the more epic ones (with a poll): http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2720
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2008 at 23:08
LOL...I just kept my mouth closed about it. Shhhh!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2008 at 23:58
They are right , steely dan is way proggier
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 00:12
Oh, LOL, that was careless of me.  In deleting the keyword search from the URL (to avoid highlights in the thread), I also deleted the last number of the topic ID...  Instead of 2720, it should be 27205.  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27205

Anyway, it's an interesting read.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 00:15
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 00:25
There is something I 've started to wonder. If the HELP project was completed and they released an album , just a single album or an EP? Would Hendrix be in the Archives?
I think he would because many solo artists with no prog material are included in crossover prog or prog related.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 01:42
Originally posted by crimson87 crimson87 wrote:

There is something I 've started to wonder. If the HELP project was completed and they released an album , just a single album or an EP? Would Hendrix be in the Archives?
I think he would because many solo artists with no prog material are included in crossover prog or prog related.
 
HELP would without any doubt, but Hendrix?
 
Not necesarilly, if not remember
 
Genesis and Collins.
Aphrodite's Child and Demis Roussos
Par Lindh Project and Par Lindh
Genesis and Mike and the Mechanics
 
 
But again.........HELP didn't existed, so....we can only guess.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 02:23
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by crimson87 crimson87 wrote:

There is something I 've started to wonder. If the HELP project was completed and they released an album , just a single album or an EP? Would Hendrix be in the Archives?
I think he would because many solo artists with no prog material are included in crossover prog or prog related.
 
HELP would without any doubt, but Hendrix?
 
Not necesarilly, if not remember
 
Genesis and Collins.
Aphrodite's Child and Demis Roussos
Par Lindh Project and Par Lindh
Genesis and Mike and the Mechanics
 
 
But again.........HELP didn't existed, so....we can only guess.
 
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ah but yes nearly all the above are indeed debateable points Ivan as would be Hendrix Wink Still let's rather not go there right now....this is after all a Hendrix thread.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 09:32
Here's my two cents.  Compared to Journey (for example) Jimi was as progressive as an artist can get.  He should be in here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 09:39
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by crimson87 crimson87 wrote:

There is something I 've started to wonder. If the HELP project was completed and they released an album , just a single album or an EP? Would Hendrix be in the Archives?
I think he would because many solo artists with no prog material are included in crossover prog or prog related.
 
HELP would without any doubt, but Hendrix?
 
Not necesarilly, if not remember
 
Genesis and Collins.
Aphrodite's Child and Demis Roussos
Par Lindh Project and Par Lindh
Genesis and Mike and the Mechanics
 
 
But again.........HELP didn't existed, so....we can only guess.
 
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But I think there is an image of what's prog and what not. How could you be so sure that HELP would be included? Probably because Hendrix would get enough prog credentials for being with ELP in a band.

 
1966 Are you experienced? That's the wildest progression rock and roll ever got. Remember that a year before there was HELP! by the beatles and a year after Third Stone from the Sun.
If that's not progressing I just don't know what may be.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 10:01
Well, even as rejected as he's been around here, you can still enjoy his music all the same.  I really do feel that if he hadn't died, when he did, he would have moved musically in a more jazz/rock-fusion direction.  If I were king, I'd stick him in proto.


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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 11:46
Originally posted by crimson87 crimson87 wrote:

 
1966 Are you experienced? That's the wildest progression rock and roll ever got. Remember that a year before there was HELP! by the beatles and a year after Third Stone from the Sun.
If that's not progressing I just don't know what may be.
 
Again, progression, evolution, advance, etc, have no relation with Progressive Rock.
 
And lets be honest, Hendrix is proposed for his abbilities as performer, not for his compositions which have absolutely no relation with Progressive Rock.
 
The definition of Prog related is clear
 
Quote We specify the word MUSICAL because simple performance of a determined instrument in a Prog or mainstream band is not justification enough to include an artist, no matter how virtuoso he/she may be, Prog Archives has to evaluate their compositional work because the music is what determines the characteristics of a band or an artist.
 
And Chris, there is a poll about Hendruix, but we had 10 in which he was rejected, and this was discussed in the collaborators section and the conclusion was....If a rejected artist doesn't release a new album that could justify his inclusion, there's no reason to insist again, if not, this would be a never ending game, an artist is rejected one, two, tyen times and people keep insisting,
 
Hendrix has been voted massively against in every poll, and the Adms have DECIDED not to add him to PR...Until when will be keep insisting?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 11:52
Originally posted by Chris Stacey Chris Stacey wrote:

 
ah but yes nearly all the above are indeed debateable points Ivan as would be Hendrix Wink Still let's rather not go there right now....this is after all a Hendrix thread.
 
At least par Lindh has much more right to be included, he was member of three 100% prog bands:
 
  1. Annthena Baroque
  2. Par Lindh Project
  3. Lindh anfd Johansson.

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You can't compare his Prog credentials with Hendrix, simply Jimmy doesn't have where to start with him in relation to Progressive Rock.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 17:04
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by crimson87 crimson87 wrote:

 
1966 Are you experienced? That's the wildest progression rock and roll ever got. Remember that a year before there was HELP! by the beatles and a year after Third Stone from the Sun.
If that's not progressing I just don't know what may be.
 
Again, progression, evolution, advance, etc, have no relation with Progressive Rock.
 
And lets be honest, Hendrix is proposed for his abbilities as performer, not for his compositions which have absolutely no relation with Progressive Rock.
 
The definition of Prog related is clear
 
Quote We specify the word MUSICAL because simple performance of a determined instrument in a Prog or mainstream band is not justification enough to include an artist, no matter how virtuoso he/she may be, Prog Archives has to evaluate their compositional work because the music is what determines the characteristics of a band or an artist.
 
And Chris, there is a poll about Hendruix, but we had 10 in which he was rejected, and this was discussed in the collaborators section and the conclusion was....If a rejected artist doesn't release a new album that could justify his inclusion, there's no reason to insist again, if not, this would be a never ending game, an artist is rejected one, two, tyen times and people keep insisting,
 
Hendrix has been voted massively against in every poll, and the Adms have DECIDED not to add him to PR...Until when will be keep insisting?
 
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I know Ivan, but new people will always stop by here and weigh in sensible arguments/discussion pro say Hendrix or similar inclusions. On top of that what is wrong with a mad bunch of tenacious stalwarts adding their two cents worth, even if it is the same old dime they pass around?
 
On a completely different thread Boston died an early death, rightly so! Hendrix's argument for PA inclusion like the great man himself died far too young....IMOSmile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 17:13
exactly Chris.... and let's not forget...  I looked at one of those previous  polls... there were 110 votes for him being added.  That is a hell of a lot of people.  This is not a suggestion from Mars... that said.. he doesn't belong here in my opinion. Explained why in a different thread.. different topic... when someone  suggested Cream.  Prog sprang from psychedelic... Hendrix was in the one branch.. musically... that did have little bearing or impact on prog.  Of course...  like any suggestion ...everyone has their two cents.. that is why these threads will always pop up.. and should be allowed to pop up.  Sometime.. somewhere... someone might make a definative case for him.. and here's to hoping that people aren't too busy talking ..and not listening enough to others.  Always have seen that as a bit of a problem here.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 17:17
Originally posted by Chris Stacey Chris Stacey wrote:

 
On a completely different thread Boston died an early death, rightly so! Hendrix's argument for PA inclusion like the great man himself died far too young....IMOSmile
 
Hendrix arguments died too young?
 
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Very few really Prog bands have been discussed that much. LOL
 
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

exactly Chris.... and let's not forget...  I looked at one of those previous  polls... there were 110 votes for him being added. 
 
Micky,. that thread in which hendrix LOST 140 votes against 110 was closed by Bob because the starter allowed multiple votes.
 
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