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earlyprog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Neo / PSIKE / Heavy Teams Joined: March 05 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 2156 |
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It's really undermining the credibility of this prog site that the main page has a top 100 list that includes prog-related bands like Queen. If/when some of these bands enter top 20 or 10 I can only foresee the adverse effect it will have on the marketing of this site to lovers of prog. Make individual top lists for each genre. I really cannot see the purpose of showing a composite top 100 on the main page - or can you?
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kebjourman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 26 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 393 |
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i like the idea of individual lists for each genre.
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Paulieg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 934 |
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Queen is glam rock. They should never, never be in the top 100 list. I take it as an insult to prog.
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opera_guy ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: February 04 2006 Status: Offline Points: 21 |
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You can view the top 100 bands by genre, and why is it an insult Queen much better and more unique and innovative that 90% of the other bands on this site.
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Kid-A ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 02 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 613 |
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Because they aren't prog, and this is the progarchives. Doesn't matter how unique and innovative they are, they just aren't prog. Edited by Kid-A |
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Winter Wine ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 12 2005 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 1140 |
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You can't hear glamour. Queen made incredible innovative music, That's all that counts. |
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White Queen ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 28 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 218 |
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Don't worry, they won't stay in the top 100 for long. There's always people like you to give them bad reviews just because they aren't progressive enough. |
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Paulieg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 934 |
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I happen to like Queens first five releases. Just because I feel they are more glam than prog and don't feel they belong in the "Top 100 Progressive Releases Of ALL Time" doesn't mean I'd give them a bad review. Now if it was "The Top 100 Glam Rock Releases Of All Time" I'd vote them in the top 10 at least. |
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opera_guy ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: February 04 2006 Status: Offline Points: 21 |
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How is Queen not progressive? They were very original used dozens of different styles, complex harmonies, over-the-top arrangements. Just because they have a hard-rock aesthetic doesn't mean they aren't "prog." Last time I check it was Progressive Rock. A band doesn't have to use moogs and mellotrons to be "prog." |
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R_DeNIRO ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 17 2005 Location: Spain Status: Offline Points: 431 |
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The only "progressive thing" that Queen made was Bohemian Rhapsody. Definitively they aren't prog in any way; don't deserve be in the top 100.
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Paulieg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 934 |
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I just don't feel Queen's main attributes are coming from "the progressive rock genre." Queen was very progressive in their vocal harmonies and May's guitar tone was beautiful. I guess it's all subjective when it comes down to it. I didn't mean to insult anyone and am sorry if I did. I still don't consider Queen "Progressive Rock." Edited by Paulieg |
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Bilek ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 05 2005 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 1484 |
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I'm sick of Queen discussion... nevertheless, I'll add something: Paulieg is right that Queen is glam rock. Every possible musical website lists them as such (apart form our beloved archives!!!) Achim Reichel is not even in the archives, and many Krautrock greats cannot find a place in top 100!!! (I'm not sure if there's any!) Solution: Keep "prog related" and possibly "proto-prog" bands away from top 100 |
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
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Duncan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 23 2004 Status: Offline Points: 180 |
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Christ, how much '70s Queen have you actually heard? I can appreciate most people's objections, but not with such a grossly misinformed example. |
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BebieM ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 01 2004 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 854 |
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Generally prog-related and proto-prog albums shouldn't count for the
top100 on the first page IMO. It's good to have them on the site to see
a) where prog came from and b) what bands border on being prog, but
that's it.
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earlyprog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Neo / PSIKE / Heavy Teams Joined: March 05 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 2156 |
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I must have missed something - how do I view the top 100 by genre? |
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earlyprog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Neo / PSIKE / Heavy Teams Joined: March 05 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 2156 |
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Exactly. Perhaps the administrators of this site should consider restructuring the site so that the main page allows you to enter either the (pure) prog portion of the site or the proto-prog and prog-related portion of the site. Also consider which of these segments the site wants to target. Targetting all segments most likely will result in fewer "customers" (us the prog lovers) who will find other sources on the internet. |
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mystic fred ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 13 2006 Location: Londinium Status: Offline Points: 4252 |
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QUOTE - "It's really undermining the credibility of this prog site that the main page has a top 100 list that includes prog-related bands like Queen. If/when some of these bands enter top 20 or 10 I can only foresee the adverse effect it will have on the marketing of this site to lovers of prog. Make individual top lists for each genre. I really cannot see the purpose of showing a composite top 100 on the main page - or can you?"
i agree queen had glam rock leanings in the early years, many groups dressed up in amazing costumes and were labelled glam rock if you like, but queen were much more sophisticated than their contemporaries and if you've ever listened to their early albums (especially queen II) the so-called "prog elements" are there. queen were a fine group, were considered a progressive group in the early 70's and well deserve their place in prog archives!!! i bet many grumblers on this thread have never even heard queen. Edited by mystic fred |
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earlyprog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Neo / PSIKE / Heavy Teams Joined: March 05 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 2156 |
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I now see that I shouldn't have mentioned Queen when I started this thread. It was intended as a much more general discussion.
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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This is a bit like the thread I started weeks ago.
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20313& amp;KW=queen Edited by Snow Dog |
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The Wizard ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7341 |
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Just because something is glam rock dosn't mean it can't be progressive. Glam rock was more of alook and way bands presented themselves, the genre has little to do with actual music. |
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