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The Lost Chord
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Topic: The Beatles deserve to be here because... Posted: February 16 2006 at 15:44 |
...They were pioneers. Every other band that did ANYTHING prog related like sgt peppers or magical mystery was just copying or were inspired by the Beatles, therefore bands like The Doors, rolling stones and led zeppelin should NOT be here, they did not pioneer prog like the beatles did.
Hence, Proto-Prog
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Kid-A
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 15:47 |
And you made this a new thread because.........
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sleeper
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 15:47 |
For once The Lost Chord has made a valid point, and I believe this is exactly the reason that they are in the archives.
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Ounamahl
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 16:13 |
Yup, I also think its great Beatles are here!
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Chipiron
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 16:14 |
Kid-A wrote:
And you made this a new thread because.........
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chopper
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 16:21 |
I think this subject has been done to death now.
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stonebeard
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 16:26 |
Kid-A wrote:
And you made this a new thread because.........
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Just in case you didn't see the one with 14 pages already.
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The Lost Chord
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 16:34 |
i lopve these people on this forum!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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John Gargo
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 16:48 |
Hahaha, I didn't like you at first Lost Chord, but you're alright by me!
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Garion81
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 16:51 |
They are here because they fit this category:
Proto-Prog Rock Bands in existence prior to 1969 that influenced the development of progressive rock. The late 60's was a predominately experimental period for music. These bands were moving in a stream that eventually led to prog. The influence could have come from new sophisticated forms of writing and playing music, recording techniques, new instruments and vocal harmonies to name a few. Some of these bands became progressive rock bands themselves others did not.
and I disagree the Doors do belong in the is Category as do Jefferson Airplane, Spirit and other bands that were highly experimental in that time.
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Lord Qwerty
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 17:35 |
The Beatles deserve to be here because the second side of Abbey Road will make you sob like a newborn babe.
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The Ryan
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 17:54 |
You know how much Led Zeppelin sounds like The Beatles... laugh.
Miles Davis was a pioneer, mixing jazz with rock, he is progressive. LETS PUT HIM ON THE SITE!! Just kidding.
Prog-rock is not everything that is original and fresh, that's not how it works.
If you want to argue that Sgt. Peppers Lonely Heart Club is progressive I'm not going to stop you, but I personally disagree with most of the Beatles' work being prog-rock in the conservative sense, which is what most people are after anyways.
After so many decades of these bands being thought of as 'rock n roll bands', people are now deciding Deep Purple, Queen, Styx, The Beatles and so forth are now prog-rock. Where the hell have you people been if you are really correct? After all this time!!! Prog-rock is a style of music, as is classic rock. I'll tell you what prog-rock isn't; everything experimental and never done before.
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ChadFromCanada
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 18:02 |
Mixing jazz with rock is called jazz fusion, which we have a section for. So yes, let's put Miles on the site.
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Hierophant
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 18:03 |
ChadFromCanada wrote:
Mixing jazz with rock is called jazz fusion,
which we have a section for. So yes, let's put Miles on the site.
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I agree, this site is lacking in the fusion department
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 18:04 |
No the Beatles are not progressive at all , nothing to do with prog and don`t deserve to be here !
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Garion81
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 18:34 |
Actually no one is saying they are prog bands. Neither the Proto-Prog or the prog related descriptions say that. I know because I wrote them and they were pinstakinly analised by the rest of the collabs before they were placed in the site. I wrote prog related even though I opposed its inception. You can argue all you want that the Beatles are not prog and I will actually agree with you BUT you can't say that the events, bands, artists, and the environment within the music industry in the late '60's did not make a pathway to prog and the Beatles were a big part of it. I find nothing wrong with adding a category for these bands at all.
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NotAProghead
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 18:39 |
The Lost Chord wrote:
...They were pioneers. Every other band that did ANYTHING prog related like sgt peppers or magical mystery was just copying or were inspired by the Beatles, therefore bands like The Doors, rolling stones and led zeppelin should NOT be here, they did not pioneer prog like the beatles did.
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IMO The Doors and Led Zeppelin, both in their own way, were pioneers too.
Many of so called heavy prog bands were influenced by LZ. I don't think Led Zeppelin are less progressive than, for example, guitar-driven Italian acts like GARYBALDI and I TEOREMI.
Edited by NotAProghead
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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moonlapse
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 20:48 |
The Ryan wrote:
After so many decades of these bands being thought of
as 'rock n roll bands', people are now deciding Deep Purple, Queen,
Styx, The Beatles and so forth are now prog-rock. Where the hell have
you people been if you are really correct? |
That's an excellent point. If the Beatles are really prog, or
proto-prog - whatever - split hairs and make excuses for their
inclusion if you want - why did it take so long for them to be included?
Because, maybe they aren't really prog!
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Marcelo Xanadu
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 20:57 |
Ha... so then should be right put Chuck Berry in the archives!
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moonlapse
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Posted: February 16 2006 at 20:59 |
Heh...I was thinking Chuck Berry myself!
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